Hi Jo….I just love to listen to your sessions, it not only makes sense but you laugh at yourself when little thing go haywire, you make me laugh and wouldn't surprise me if the others laugh as well, you needed to be doing this 10 yrs ago when I first joined Graham with Recordingrevolution as Im still making crap recordings with my made up songs of my own, but i'm never happy with the results, but since you JO stepped into Recording revolution I feel i have excelled so much, even though I've had to postpone getting in my little home studio since my wife went totally blind Last xmas, but since you have taking over I have now finished my first song complete with a great sound when played on my Bose home player, it's just brilliant, when my wife and l listen to this first song it brought tears to her eyes, of coarse that started me off then, but it's all down to you Jo thank you…what I have realised is, it's not Graham's fault as his teaching he did that well, but I would fall asleep after only after a short while, but you make it interesting and fun when your talking, Thank you to Graham for realising how good your friend Jo would be for Recordingrevolution
Pretty beginner tips which I knew, until the end the general rule of reducing low end the more you pan outwards is not something I've thought of. I'll definitely keep that in mind with future mixes.
Don't High Pass the guitars too much though, you'll start to lose the balls on the sides. 80Hz HPF with a 12dB/octave slope is usually fine for rock guitars.
My first instinct is to always record a second rhythm (or acoustic) guitar and pan hard left and right, so this has never been an issue for me. Aside from the the phasing issue, the first/wrong solution is just a stereo delay, so why not just use that if you can't or don't want to record a second guitar?
Thanks for your tips as always, but what if i want to make a mono live guitar track a bit wider and fatter after the live gig in post production? Double the track and put some kind of short delay on one chanel and pan for taste? Would be nice if you could give some tips & tricks for making live/rehersal recordings sound even better afterwards.
How about recording 4, think like judas priest, but for those second huitar dubbed, you pan them switched. Is that a good idea? I thinking of the loss pf the other guitar when in a mono-situation.
That trick of doubling also works for background vocals and it pushes the main vocal and give it some sort of "bed" to lie on . Works even better if the BG Vocals are in a beautiful harmonie.
What do you do if you have two rhythm guitarists, like many classic rock and metal bands, and you are already panning each to his side, the left player on the stage, panned left, and the right player on the stage, panned right? Do you still double track them and reverse the side? If yes, do you pan the doubled guitars all the way to the opposite side, or leave them on their original side and pan slightly inwards?
I always double track rather than copy/paste/slide…sounds much more natural. An odd trick I do but I swear by it is I actually turn off the other Guitar track. I will often do this if I'm adding a Harmony part as well. I've found the parts come out much tighter as you're not "chasing" the other part
Very good video Joe for those that are learning + us. I agree Hard Lft & Rt adding maybe a different EQ, AMP on one side. Also I do on certain songs is to play Guitar out let’s say the left ( Panned Hard ) yet it’s Verb being sent/ Panned to the Right speaker. Very Good effect that I can’t say it’s better but on some Songs that works great as well! Thank you as always Joe. Keep them coming. Love to watch & learn. 🎚🎧🎹🎤George Amodei☺️ ( sorry… yes w/ Keys I use both methods! ☺️
If you only have 1 guitar track, depending on the song, I have doubled the track and then had verse 1 and verse 2 playing in verse 1, verse 2 and verse1 in verse 2 etc etc. just cutting, pasting and moving, ensuring that at any point in time the 2 tracks are not playing the same thing. There’s enough variation between the verses for this to work.
Great tip that would have saved me some time if I'd known 5 years ago! What's your best tool for making a single guitar track wider (i.e. you can't record another track on top because you have no idea how to play it?). Reverb send to other channel? A bit of delay?
I used this technique in a recent Cover Song recording challenge in another group. Same parts, different guitars and amps. I doubled two straight rhythm parts, and two constant riff parts, and ran the screaming lead guitar straight up the middle. Totally works!
Great video as always! I still think though that it is getting confusing when you’re representing any of the two channels, espevially when wearing the ”wrong” titled tee. What content goes where? Maybe time to merge content to just ONE channel?
You know, I've chased guitar sound for a long time. I was shown, Via YouTube, duplicate and offset. Seeing this, now I can't wait to get home and hear the change. Thanks for this!
Don’t double with the same guitar, and if you do, at least use a different pickup. The idea is to fill out the tonal spectrum. Also, you can add a ton of guitar tracks, ask Billy Corgan
Another thing you can try is to pan the guitar reverbs to the opposite side to the guitar. So 2 guitar tracks: The guitar hard panned to the right, send it's reverb hard to the left and visa versa. So each stereo channel pan has it's own guitar plus the reverb from the guitar that is hard panned to the opposite side.
When you have guitar doubles like this, I like to record a nice stereo tambourine (with 2 AKG C414 mics, just for schnits and schniggles) and pan them nice and wide too. Mmmm…
According to Neil Young 11 or 12 sounds Celestial.
Nice tip, thanx!
Hi Jo….I just love to listen to your sessions, it not only makes sense but you laugh at yourself when little thing go haywire, you make me laugh and wouldn't surprise me if the others laugh as well, you needed to be doing this 10 yrs ago when I first joined Graham with Recordingrevolution as Im still making crap recordings with my made up songs of my own, but i'm never happy with the results, but since you JO stepped into Recording revolution I feel i have excelled so much, even though I've had to postpone getting in my little home studio since my wife went totally blind Last xmas, but since you have taking over I have now finished my first song complete with a great sound when played on my Bose home player, it's just brilliant, when my wife and l listen to this first song it brought tears to her eyes, of coarse that started me off then, but it's all down to you Jo thank you…what I have realised is, it's not Graham's fault as his teaching he did that well, but I would fall asleep after only after a short while, but you make it interesting and fun when your talking, Thank you to Graham for realising how good your friend Jo would be for Recordingrevolution
"The instruments wider should be brighter" is a great tip! Thanks Joe!!
I love your 'goosebumps alert' 😁
Hey Joe, it would be nice if at the end you showed how it would sounds in mono.
Pretty beginner tips which I knew, until the end the general rule of reducing low end the more you pan outwards is not something I've thought of. I'll definitely keep that in mind with future mixes.
Uh oh. Paul had better re-record his vocal for the stereo version of "Ob-La-Di".
Don't High Pass the guitars too much though, you'll start to lose the balls on the sides. 80Hz HPF with a 12dB/octave slope is usually fine for rock guitars.
My first instinct is to always record a second rhythm (or acoustic) guitar and pan hard left and right, so this has never been an issue for me. Aside from the the phasing issue, the first/wrong solution is just a stereo delay, so why not just use that if you can't or don't want to record a second guitar?
How do we feel about re-recording the guitar with the same parts and splitting them L/R? Will that cause phase issues as well?
Very cool! Thanks buddy 🤓
Nice singing.
Thanks for your tips as always, but what if i want to make a mono live guitar track a bit wider and fatter after the live gig in post production? Double the track and put some kind of short delay on one chanel and pan for taste? Would be nice if you could give some tips & tricks for making live/rehersal recordings sound even better afterwards.
How about recording 4, think like judas priest, but for those second huitar dubbed, you pan them switched. Is that a good idea? I thinking of the loss pf the other guitar when in a mono-situation.
it looks as if you have normalized everything too. True? thanks for all you do good sir
That trick of doubling also works for background vocals and it pushes the main vocal and give it some sort of "bed" to lie on . Works even better if the BG Vocals are in a beautiful harmonie.
Killer advice dude 🙏
So funny. You've had your fun but seriously stop doing it. Haha. So true good video.
When Phil Specter recorded his wall of sound with many guitar players playing at the same time, did that work because he recorded in mono?
What do you do if you have two rhythm guitarists, like many classic rock and metal bands, and you are already panning each to his side, the left player on the stage, panned left, and the right player on the stage, panned right? Do you still double track them and reverse the side? If yes, do you pan the doubled guitars all the way to the opposite side, or leave them on their original side and pan slightly inwards?
I always double track rather than copy/paste/slide…sounds much more natural. An odd trick I do but I swear by it is I actually turn off the other Guitar track. I will often do this if I'm adding a Harmony part as well. I've found the parts come out much tighter as you're not "chasing" the other part
Very good video Joe for those that are learning + us. I agree Hard Lft & Rt adding maybe a different EQ, AMP on one side. Also I do on certain songs is to play Guitar out let’s say the left ( Panned Hard ) yet it’s Verb being sent/ Panned to the Right speaker. Very Good effect that I can’t say it’s better but on some Songs that works great as well! Thank you as always Joe. Keep them coming. Love to watch & learn. 🎚🎧🎹🎤George Amodei☺️ ( sorry… yes w/ Keys I use both methods! ☺️
If you only have 1 guitar track, depending on the song, I have doubled the track and then had verse 1 and verse 2 playing in verse 1, verse 2 and verse1 in verse 2 etc etc. just cutting, pasting and moving, ensuring that at any point in time the 2 tracks are not playing the same thing. There’s enough variation between the verses for this to work.
Love the vids👊🏼 Can you do a how to make a 2 track mix bled better vocals etc
Great tip that would have saved me some time if I'd known 5 years ago! What's your best tool for making a single guitar track wider (i.e. you can't record another track on top because you have no idea how to play it?). Reverb send to other channel? A bit of delay?
On reaper if you use the stock chorus plugin turn down the depth and rate and remove the dry you can make second guitar track without rerecording
that’s great when you get another guitar track down. How can i get wide sound with a single stereo track? it’s only a doubled track?
I used this technique in a recent Cover Song recording challenge in another group. Same parts, different guitars and amps. I doubled two straight rhythm parts, and two constant riff parts, and ran the screaming lead guitar straight up the middle. Totally works!
Thank you so much for a great tip
Haas effect?
Compress the mid channel, it will make the side pop out more leaving space in the center of your mix for other instruments
Nirvana's Drain You had around 5 guitar layers. The Smashing Pumpkins songs also have many layers more than that, and those still sounds good.
Question, how they (or Butch Vig, i guess) combine many guitar tracks and still sounds wide and didn't get "the opposite effect"?
Could you explain it on video? or anyone else who read this just reply my comment..
Great video as always! I still think though that it is getting confusing when you’re representing any of the two channels, espevially when wearing the ”wrong” titled tee. What content goes where? Maybe time to merge content to just ONE channel?
But how to achieve this effect, if you're not recording your guitar, but programming them in Ample guitar, for example?
I think you dragged the track to much, I recoded this guy and used that technique and it sounds great https://youtu.be/lmkQLkEpo08 CC is English
Joe, I'm confused. Did you take over the channel
You know, I've chased guitar sound for a long time. I was shown, Via YouTube, duplicate and offset. Seeing this, now I can't wait to get home and hear the change. Thanks for this!
Will there be less or absolutely no phase issue in double tracking (if it is listened in mono)?
Very good stuff, Joe
Don’t double with the same guitar, and if you do, at least use a different pickup. The idea is to fill out the tonal spectrum. Also, you can add a ton of guitar tracks, ask Billy Corgan
But, how many people work in this channel?!
Another thing you can try is to pan the guitar reverbs to the opposite side to the guitar.
So 2 guitar tracks: The guitar hard panned to the right, send it's reverb hard to the left and visa versa. So each stereo channel pan has it's own guitar plus the reverb from the guitar that is hard panned to the opposite side.
Would this work well for a fingerpicked guitar track? Seems much harder to be sufficiently accurate, but I am not sure. Thoughts?
thank you very much, i struggle with the guitar every day, it's always the worst things in my small productions
When you have guitar doubles like this, I like to record a nice stereo tambourine (with 2 AKG C414 mics, just for schnits and schniggles) and pan them nice and wide too. Mmmm…