War Hammer Man Studios for the Ultimate Experiment, Putting Games Workshop Shades VS The Army Painter Washes…
Welcome back, today we will be showing off a couple completed bases, in a very important comparison. We have two sets of custom made, nearly identical bases. painted exactly the same way, right up until its time to apply the wash/shade. The results are shocking. Specific points of Comparison:
Final Result Quality
Ease of Application
Size of Bottle
Price Comparison
FInal Results
let me know what you think in the comments, or if you have any additional questions, please feel free to ask.
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Paints used:
Brown Primer Spray
Khaki Primer Spray
Rakarth Flesh drybrush
Corax White Drybrush
Retributor Armour (spent casings & details)
Either:
Agrax Earthshade or Strong Tone
white scar (skulls)
Abaddon Black Base Rim
Bases Used:
Shattered temple terrain (hole saw drill)
terrain bits (ruins, statues, sand, cork)
sand/rubble
skulls
source
Careful with GW paints the caps let in air causing the paint to spoil sooner than other paints.
I use Dark Tone and only dark tone. I buy every store out if they have Dark Tone in stock
It was a poor move for gw to drop the size of their wash bottles without a price adjustment. Always wondered how the army painter stuff held up so I may just go for army painters now
Gws price increase is soo anti customer & is morally bankrupt!
A 1:1:1 mix of strong tone/floor wax/distilled water is gods own wash
Would like to add that TAP also has a Quickshade Paint Set. Contains all of their Washes for ~$35. Obviously this means less for people that have their favorite 2-3 washes, but allows for some experimentation with colors you might not usually pick out.
This was good content bud. I like army painters range my only complaint is with the base paints. Those are thick and require a damn good shake. I'd be interested to know your thoughts on speed paint vs contrast.
Compare Contrast with Green Stuff World's Dipping Inks for even more mindblowing video m8 😉
The large cans of Quick shade dip are not the same product as the Army Painter washes. The large cans are more like a wood stain. You have to thin and clean up with turpentine. The large cans are not as quick as they advertise because they take a day or two to fully dry. They also smell really bad and will stink up your house. I had to leave my models outside for a week for the smell to fade away. Sometimes cheaper is not always better.
Please do green stuff world dip no competent painter has done a review yet on YouTube
I'd curious if you have noticed much of a difrences between the new GW washes and old GW washes as in addition to being a smaller bottle thay are a slightly difrent mixture too (I belive thay are now using contrast medium instead of the old mix)
One of the gripes I have with GW bottles is the poor labeling. The colors on the bottles are as bad as their dice colors. I find I have to get out of my chair to read labels on the shelf. That is a function of failing eyesight but I can read Reaper and Vallejo bottles easily.
Army painter are trash and anyone that tells you they’re good is wrong! Legit own all there shades and they don’t hold up
Did you test or experience any reactivating of the Army Painter products? I’ve seen comments regarding it, but don’t have experienced with the product myself.
Great vid, man; totaly agree with you on droppers for paints but open bottles for shades ´n contrasts (I use Army Painters shades though, prices differences), got to try GWs Contrasts vs APs Speedpaints.
I appreciate your honest opinion
For shades and contrast, I agree with the pot being better.
If you add a little water and a little flow improver or thinner to the strong tone, it gets really close to Agrax. So, you might even be reasonable in calling Strong Tone "concentrated" which increases the value even more.
Finally someone who feel exactly as I do about the bottle's. 100% have been converting all my paint to vallejo as I like the paint and bottles better then GW and I continue to buy only GW contrast and wash as the product is good (even tho more expensive) but mainly because I love the GW bottles for washes and Contrast.
I do agree. pots are better for shades and contrast . bottles are better for paints and mediums
Great vid. It’s hard to see in the video, I say from the samples. The right looks a little darker. But I like it! Will definitely give it a shot.
I tried the army primers. Or a bunch of primers. And GW won my heart. All the other (for me) seem to cake up too much detail. And I flipped back to the GW. If I try anything else to prime, I’m just going to try an airbrush.
Oh and I totally agree about shaders in pots. I love working off the tongue in the lid. Never has to leave the pot unless I want it to leave
i am with you on the gw pots for washes …… i dont like their paints , though i do keep a few of the old empties for washes to go in….. i still keep some washes in the droppers because they are better for the airbrush.
I do love GW paints. I have tired others and they just come up lite one way or another. I think I am also used to the sheen of GW paints.
That being said though, the prices are crazy on all of their products. I really have lost interest in keeping up too. I will buy the 40k 10th edition starter as I have all the others, but that will be the last 'new' game/model that I will buy. I am just going to fill in my collection of older armies and games. Not that those don't come with a premium too, but there is something reasonable about paying that for an OOP item versus one currently produced.
What is worse is that GW doesn't really make games with longevity anymore. Its like they are designed to bore the consumer quickly, unlike their older games, which I still get a lot of mileage from. I just played Warhammer Quest (1995 version) a couple of weekends ago. There is enough in that old set to last a lifetime. I don't feel the same with their newer stuff.
Also a matte varnish clears up that glossy finish of army painter shades
I'm surprised you don't use more paints from other companies. You are missing out honestly 🙂 Both for value and just variety and special uses.
But I can always understand why people like to stick to the citadel paint ecosystem so to speak. The thing is certain paint lines are superior to citadel. Acryl pro is my go to now for most basing/layering, I highly recommend you try it, I think you'd love it.
Anyway, as far as the washes go: I've used both lines of washes for a long time now and overall I do think army painter is superior. However, Agrax and Nul'n are extremely good and as you showed it's hard to say which produces better results for these (black and brown) – I still use agrax and nul'n often. Though that's usually if I mix in some of the gloss versions for metallic armour (which is gone now, sadly).
The thing with army painter that you might be missing so far is that the colored washes are far superior to the equivalent colored washes from citadel (not sure on the new formulations though).
The other thing, and maybe the best part: army painter sells the wash medium on its own. This is potentially a super valuable tool in your repertoire! You can dilute the washes which is so nice at times, being able to do a mild wash and then go over some darker areas with another pass – or mix colors, or other things, I love that medium (can be used with citadel washes just fine too).
I do agree this is one of the only times I think the pot is better than a dropper – as long as you have something to place it in to avoid knocking it over by accident…
GW is money hungry, saying that.
Dude great work on those bases!
You could add some Matt medium, to lose some of the gloss, and would extend the shade, also prefer pots to droppers in every situation
Honestly I'm glad I have a few pots of the old shade. Gives me time to learn some new shadowing techniques with my painting. When I saw they were revamping their shade line I was super dismayed. I knew some sheisty shit might pop up
I agree expensive yes. But games workshop produces better paints. I use both and have tested out speed paints, and I am not impressed with army paint.
This is my favorite type of review. It can be objective becauae you're not shilling a product. That is you paid for both of the product.
When a company provides the review product gratis the results are always skewed.
Always.
Thanks for the review, and for reminding us that there are other paint lines than Citadel/Games Workshop.
Use whatever paint range you want and like, but there are a lot of ranges on the market that are cheaper and better then GW.
You can take the tip off the bottle and paint right out of the dropper bottle..
Vallejo makes probably the best miniature paints.