still watching the vid but the sage leaf guy in the late game has a space suit on and refuses to be cured even going as far to say he can't remeber who he was meaning it is highly likely that he was moss original owner if they were a recuse pup this would though mean that if this was the case they would be related to shepeard since in the journals it says her family does get along with dogs well.
I do want to say that if we were to say that the 2nd shepherd captain lets just say he did originate from earth aka pnf 404 if your on a distant planet like a new one. With no materials on hand. the most likely thing do would maybe be to strip the spaceship you traveled on. That is my guess which could explain why they do not have space travel by the 7th captain.
Called it! XD Great theory. I definitely think the Sage Leaf was Moss's original owner. What might make for a good Pikmin 5 plot would be playing as a leafling who has 30 days to be cured or else they stay that way forever, thus retroactively lending this theory more credence.
Spoiler: So I started up my game and I just looked and I got a new journal Entry from Aral Shepeard: 1st Captain
Reads: The Surface! We made it at last! Finally, we can begin making a fresh start here on this planet. Of course, it will take many long months and years before what we've built here will be anything like what we once had. (this line important).
But we are not alone. Our beloved dogs will be by our side as we walk the long difficult road.
Going of this it kinda implies that these might infact be the surivivng humans from earth during the downfall of humanity.
This theory that Moss and Oacthi are related is shoddy, especially since Dalmo's comments are pretty vapid when it comes to all his entries. Sure they can be similar breeds, but they most likely aren't the same or even siblings, they look pretty different and we've only seen 3 dogs, them and the sire hound. You also failed to mention how the leafling cure made for dogs didn't work on Moss, that gives more credence that she was born on PNF-404 or at least was infected very early in her life to where a cure wouldn't work. It's plausible that Sage leaf could have owned her, but that could go for the sire hound too. I pretty sure planet Giya would have multiple breeds that can be rescue pups, as that's a title/job, not the actual breed.
Yeah, not feeling this one. Disregards actual lore as “stories” for some reason, disregards credible sources (Olimar) for noncredible sources (Dalmo), completely ignores the sire hound and the implication that the pups originated from PNF-404, and by extension the implication that the alien races of Pikmin are descended from humans. Have you completed the post game yet?
i kinda think even if the people arent evolved from humans that oatchi and moss' species of dog are originally from pnf404 and that the leaf tail appearing is from being on the home planet and not the pikmin doing something
The reason they say moss was a leafling from birth is because she cannot be cured even by the cure designed to work on dogs. Obviously you couldn’t cure someone’s natural state meaning that moss has always had a leaf.
Doesnt olimar break the pikmin 1 reboot theory by talking about koppaites ? Also we know the planet is already named in pikmin 4 which was named around the time alph,charlie,brittany were sent out
You mean both Sage Leaf and Moss refused to be rescued made up the theory that they both aren't born at PNF-404 and transformed into leaflings form, while Sage Leaf can't go to the surface then Moss do all the deeds for him?
My theory is the Sirehound cleaned the house because perhaps it once lived there, or it’s a descendant of the dogs shown in the puzzle or the picture. Perhaps the radiation effected both people and other animals that remained there, either killing them or mutating them (Like the snagrets). We know some people escaped, ie the Shepherd family, and likely others. I also think the reason people and animals who escaped the planet shrank is so they wouldn’t use as many resources. Some dogs remained on the planet, some of which evolved to shrink similarly to those off of the planet, while others remained large and became predators. This would explain Moss and the Sirehound. Evolution isn’t forced, but species will evolve to survive better, even if they don’t choose to, such as things blending in to avoid predators or catch prey. I don’t think there is really any relation between Moss and the Sirehound other than them both being dogs, and as for the Sage Leaf, he is probably just another person who crashed, tried to escape, failed, and was carried to the onion. He eventually became so accustomed to PNF-404 life that he lost any memory of what he was before, and decided to help any other castaways get used to living on the planet.
Anyone else think the Ancient Sirehound looks like Moss? By the way, I support this theory. It also struck me later on if we return to the planet, oatchi may get infected again. If your theory is correct, then I believe moss was going to be born on giya, but a rescue pup gave birth on pnf-404's atmosphere, and oatchi was born in Giya's atmosphere. This would also support sage leaf being a rescue corps member. If sage leaf did crash, oatchi was probably rescued later on and then moss was left behind with sage(sage and moss likely being leafings and unrecognizable). Oatchi however likely had less exposure to pikmin. I know when we met oatchi he was still a pup, but he likely was only left for like 5-7 days. Shepherd also says its typical for his breed to grow suddenly. Meaning moss likely is older than oatchi because of time on pnf-404. If you read this, thank you.(P.S, great vid, did you finish the game?)
the fact, the game says that Moss was born with a leaf tail means its unlikely its a rescue pup as sage leaf is happy he is a leafling and for some reason knows Oatchi, it is like sage leaf probably is in the sheppard family and or moss probably does know him too but they are probably the same species, but Moss's parents might of had a leaf tale too and moss was born with it.
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still watching the vid but the sage leaf guy in the late game has a space suit on and refuses to be cured even going as far to say he can't remeber who he was meaning it is highly likely that he was moss original owner if they were a recuse pup this would though mean that if this was the case they would be related to shepeard since in the journals it says her family does get along with dogs well.
Spoiler for theory
They say that he was born at the planet at the end of the game.
I do want to say that if we were to say that the 2nd shepherd captain lets just say he did originate from earth aka pnf 404 if your on a distant planet like a new one. With no materials on hand. the most likely thing do would maybe be to strip the spaceship you traveled on. That is my guess which could explain why they do not have space travel by the 7th captain.
Called it! XD
Great theory. I definitely think the Sage Leaf was Moss's original owner.
What might make for a good Pikmin 5 plot would be playing as a leafling who has 30 days to be cured or else they stay that way forever, thus retroactively lending this theory more credence.
Spoiler: So I started up my game and I just looked and I got a new journal Entry from Aral Shepeard: 1st Captain
Reads: The Surface! We made it at last! Finally, we can begin making a fresh start here on this planet. Of course, it will take many long months and years before what we've built here will be anything like what we once had.
(this line important).
But we are not alone. Our beloved dogs will be by our side as we walk the long difficult road.
Going of this it kinda implies that these might infact be the surivivng humans from earth during the downfall of humanity.
This theory that Moss and Oacthi are related is shoddy, especially since Dalmo's comments are pretty vapid when it comes to all his entries. Sure they can be similar breeds, but they most likely aren't the same or even siblings, they look pretty different and we've only seen 3 dogs, them and the sire hound. You also failed to mention how the leafling cure made for dogs didn't work on Moss, that gives more credence that she was born on PNF-404 or at least was infected very early in her life to where a cure wouldn't work. It's plausible that Sage leaf could have owned her, but that could go for the sire hound too. I pretty sure planet Giya would have multiple breeds that can be rescue pups, as that's a title/job, not the actual breed.
Massive spoilers
Moss was born with that tail. Most likely she is the Sirehounds kid and THEY were the Sages rescue pup.
Dog lore in pikmin goes hard. Btw good call on all those theories that moss and oatchi leaf one was spot on.
At this point im just waiting for people to beat the game so we could discuss that thing at the end
Good vid as always 💯
Big Spoilers
Yeah, not feeling this one. Disregards actual lore as “stories” for some reason, disregards credible sources (Olimar) for noncredible sources (Dalmo), completely ignores the sire hound and the implication that the pups originated from PNF-404, and by extension the implication that the alien races of Pikmin are descended from humans. Have you completed the post game yet?
i kinda think even if the people arent evolved from humans that oatchi and moss' species of dog are originally from pnf404 and that the leaf tail appearing is from being on the home planet and not the pikmin doing something
The reason they say moss was a leafling from birth is because she cannot be cured even by the cure designed to work on dogs. Obviously you couldn’t cure someone’s natural state meaning that moss has always had a leaf.
Doesnt olimar break the pikmin 1 reboot theory by talking about koppaites ? Also we know the planet is already named in pikmin 4 which was named around the time alph,charlie,brittany were sent out
I recomend you read Olimars entry on the Ancient Sirehound! It might deny or confirm your theory!
You mean both Sage Leaf and Moss refused to be rescued made up the theory that they both aren't born at PNF-404 and transformed into leaflings form, while Sage Leaf can't go to the surface then Moss do all the deeds for him?
i think it was really stupid for the cure not to work on moss
i think its obvious that pikmin 4 is in the same timeline as the first 3 games
i think moss and oatchi are descendants of real life dogs who survived nuclear war
all of the humanoids in pikmin are humans in the far far future
My theory is the Sirehound cleaned the house because perhaps it once lived there, or it’s a descendant of the dogs shown in the puzzle or the picture. Perhaps the radiation effected both people and other animals that remained there, either killing them or mutating them (Like the snagrets). We know some people escaped, ie the Shepherd family, and likely others. I also think the reason people and animals who escaped the planet shrank is so they wouldn’t use as many resources. Some dogs remained on the planet, some of which evolved to shrink similarly to those off of the planet, while others remained large and became predators. This would explain Moss and the Sirehound. Evolution isn’t forced, but species will evolve to survive better, even if they don’t choose to, such as things blending in to avoid predators or catch prey. I don’t think there is really any relation between Moss and the Sirehound other than them both being dogs, and as for the Sage Leaf, he is probably just another person who crashed, tried to escape, failed, and was carried to the onion. He eventually became so accustomed to PNF-404 life that he lost any memory of what he was before, and decided to help any other castaways get used to living on the planet.
Anyone else think the Ancient Sirehound looks like Moss? By the way, I support this theory. It also struck me later on if we return to the planet, oatchi may get infected again. If your theory is correct, then I believe moss was going to be born on giya, but a rescue pup gave birth on pnf-404's atmosphere, and oatchi was born in Giya's atmosphere. This would also support sage leaf being a rescue corps member. If sage leaf did crash, oatchi was probably rescued later on and then moss was left behind with sage(sage and moss likely being leafings and unrecognizable). Oatchi however likely had less exposure to pikmin. I know when we met oatchi he was still a pup, but he likely was only left for like 5-7 days. Shepherd also says its typical for his breed to grow suddenly. Meaning moss likely is older than oatchi because of time on pnf-404. If you read this, thank you.(P.S, great vid, did you finish the game?)
You should change your channel colors to brown orange and black because they aren’t Pikmin types yet
No the classic timeline is 1,2,3
the fact, the game says that Moss was born with a leaf tail means its unlikely its a rescue pup as sage leaf is happy he is a leafling and for some reason knows Oatchi, it is like sage leaf probably is in the sheppard family and or moss probably does know him too but they are probably the same species, but Moss's parents might of had a leaf tale too and moss was born with it.
I liked it! I want more leafling lore theory videos please
i hope we get DLC that dives into the sage leafs lore, kind of like Olimar's crash side adventure