Americans React To "How Ireland Became So Bitterly Divided | Irish War Of Independence"



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31 thoughts on “Americans React To "How Ireland Became So Bitterly Divided | Irish War Of Independence"”

  1. The great pity for me is that, in the moment of revolution, due to the people who were running the most militant republican organisations, the Leninists of the revolution, the socialist workers' liberation and taking over Irish society for a Workers' Republic that James Conolly believed in, that goal which was the inspiration to the majority of people who fought for independence because as poor workers they saw it as the way to have a workers' revolution in Ireland, that ideal and that politics ended up getting sidelined completely, never to return.

    Sinn Fein and the subsequent Fianna Foil and Fine Gael parties which took over were solidly bourgeois, conservative capitalist parties which snuffed out the workers' movement in Ireland and kept Ireland in an underdeveloped, neo-colonialised condition right up until a few years ago, when a revived Sinn Fein with strongly Marxist politics won the general election, and now they find themselves tied up by the EU and the financial sector in Dublin in terms of what they can do, meaning that Ireland stays in austerity, stagflation and with an extremely unstable finance and real estate bubble-based economy which is incredibly unequal, instead of an industrialising, infrastructure-developing and redistributive economy. And of course in terms of "oh, but Bolshevism was so bad and it killed so many people and plunged Russia into a civil war, Ireland was saved from that", well Ireland got so many people killed and a civil war anyway, under the conservative nationalists and decades of dire poverty which kept forcing people to emigrate for the lack of a workers' government.

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  2. To give you an idea of how recent this goes, my grandparents were not allowed to vote…
    My parents had internment… Basically you could be arrested and held in jail indefinitely, for no
    reason.
    I'm 43 and growing up in the north was crazy. My school was beside an army base so it was always being bombed or the army would search us going into school. Our town is a border town so of you wanted to go to the beach (10 minutes away) you had to drive through a border base. That meant, everyone out of the car, the car searched, the family searched. Then the same on the way back.
    We had the fun of having Irish names so any time an army patrol stopped us it was not good

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  3. Irish Home Rule was for self government but not full independence. It was a multi decade movement with a lot of political support in Westminster which ended up by the Bill passing in 1912.

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  4. Dublin dude here great video. I'm 36 and have walked past the GPO(general post office)Where the rebellion happened and you can still see the bullet holes to this day. If you enjoyed this this you should watch The Wind That Shakes The Barley.

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  5. The only people who divided the island were Irish nationalists. Without the creation of the Free State, the island would still be one. The problem is Irish nationalism wanted its cake (independence) and to eat it (the entire island out of the UK). That was never going to happen. There are no indigenous people on the island of Ireland. The Celts came from elsewhere.

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  6. Interesting – you have formulated your views and opinions from three contributors from one side of an intractable conflict that has been running – not since 1916, but for 400 years, and now you feel you have an informed basis to make an assessment. Where was the input from the Ulster or British side? Without trying to take sides, all the comments heard were about British atrocities that may or may not be fabrications, (it was certainly very carefully worded to avoid mentioning their own atrocities) but where was there any mention of the muders and intimidation of their own countrymen who did not agree – and more – did not support the IRA ot Sinn Fein? For those, hundreds were knee-capped, murdered and tortured for their lack of support. No mention made of the many unprovoked murders of police officers and their families sleeping peacefully in their own beds. No mention of their bombings of businesses, buses, homes. pubs, fuerl stations, utilities. tar-and-feathering of innocents – and all of it done hidden behind masks. At no time did NI police or army make incursions into Irish homes across the border, or killed or maimed anyone except when being attacked – contrary to what the Nationilsts/Republicans would like you to believe.
    The British were certainly guilty of oppression leading to discrimination over many years, and their activities in Ireland are to their shame. Unfortunately, a deep hatred for the British was formed in Ireland, and it was probably deserved. In the end, the Irish wanted a Free State, and they got it; but that was not enough, for they have always wanted the British out of Ireland completely, and so the war continues to that end. The so-called Peace Accord is just words, for the intimidation and murders still go on – they're just not mentioned openly.
    It's all very well for the Americans to tut-tut and say how awful, but Americans have done much worse when it comes to the indigenous peoples. It's also well-known that it was the Americans who gave huge sums of money to the IRA to fund the shootings and bombings carried out against British citizens for more than thirty years.
    I suggest that you take a look at the Ulster/British viewpoint before you draw conclusions from one totally biased viewpoint.

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  7. Be careful boys! Don't get involved with this shitshow. This a documentary from one side. The other side has a different view. As I say. It's a shitshow. My parents best friends were from Belfast. One Catholic, one protestant. Either side of the Shankill Road.
    They HAD to move to London!!!!!!!

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  8. The 65% Protestant majority in the six counties claimed by the British is gone.

    For the first time Catholics now outnumber Protestants (albeit not yet at voting age).

    British claim to Ireland is at it's end game…

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  9. So many tormented, illiterate, dumb people talking about the events after this in the comments who dont seem to understand or even have looked at this video.
    It would laughable if the comments weren't so hate filled. Odd that most come from the British claiming some kind moral high ground and bias in the video. Could any one bleeting on show an inaccurate piece of information in this?

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  10. I am really tired of war and the killing of innocent people, sorry guys I'm irish but had to switch this off. Innocent men women and children were killed by all sides but in particular by the IRA in northern Ireland – just like what is happening in Russian attack and whats happening in gaza. Go out to an empty field and fight leave innocent children alone. Even the American emblem representing peace in one hand and war in another – as if the two can go together. Still funding Isreal.

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  11. India was not 'lost', as you put it, until 1947; the British did not want to give up control; they had to be forced to do so (as in the USA in 1776-83). The Indian people were not yet ready or unified enough to do that.

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