The Warhammer 40K Balance Dataslate is here! Join us as we analyse how the changes from the latest Balance Dataslate and Munitorum Field Manual effect each faction in the game and see our opinions on how each faction is looking post Dataslate.
To follow along make sure you check out the documents over on Warhammer Community now links are here:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/dKoVkM0TCEGV9plY.pdf
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/I5QAEb5U4TUdNRGP.pdf
Let us know in the comments your thoughts on the changes, are there any missed opportunities you feel should have been changed or amended? or are you happy with how your faction has come out after the data slate? Let us know in the comments section.
00:00 Start
01:24 Overall Gameplay Changes
03:52 Adepta Sororitas
06:29 Adeptus Custodes
10:14 Adeptus Mechanicus
12:12 Aeldari
21:04 Astra Militarum
22:59 Chaos Daemons
26:31 Chaos Knights
28:19 Chaos Space Marines
32:54 Death Guard
35:51 Drukhari
37:45 Genestealer Cult
40:20 Grey Knights
43:37 Imperial Knights
46:13 Leagues of Votann
48:38 Necrons
50:55 Orks
53:24 T’au Empire
55:45 Thousand Sons
56:31 Tyranids
58:20 World Eaters
1:05:26 Space Marines
1:08:22 Black Templars
1:12:04 Blood Angels
1:14:26 Dark Angels
1:16:24 Deathwatch
1:16:57 Space Wolves
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What are everyones thoughts on the changes? are you happy with them? or do you feel there are some missed opportunities, if so what are they?
wheres it say D2 for wulfen hammers?
Morty, welcome back to the list bud
It will never be balanced. It is just a ploy to shift the meta and drive players to buy new minis.
Im heavily disappointed by this slate as it was so light touch. I play nids and all the tyrants are insanely expensive for what they are and their strats are still totally broken.
Man the decrease in points for knights feel ok. But honestly, i just wanted bondsman back to being a real rule
Orks win rate will not go up, I think, orks are gonna have realy tough match up against Custodes, Nerons, GK, Deathguard
The Guard rules changes for Voice of Command and clarifications for Stratagems concerning battleshocked units are really good.
The points increase for the Manticore is absurd and looks like a last minute kneejerk change.
Guard is like in the bottom 3 or 5 factions depending on the dataset one uses and there is a lot of room to tewak points to make the faction better, instead all we get is some kneejerk points increase for some okayish artillery that makes it more expensive than our MBTs or way better meta units from other factions.
And the fact that all other indirect units, some of them having serious debuffs, were not touched at all shows that this was some last minute thing they felt the needed to put in for whatever reason.
Oi GW, leave my indirect Guard artillery alone ya buggers! 😠
I've played Guard at various events since the edition dropped; I've personally found the Manticore to be quite underwhelming – although it has re-rolls to hit it is very prone to not having enough shots to make an impact. With this in mind I think that 15pts probably would have been a fair increase.
That said, I am truly baffled that the Basilisk has stayed quite so cheap and I will continue to use it liberally!
Someone got tabled by World Eaters too many times, by my reckoning!
This was a good listen. I put you guys on while driving, got through it all without stop. Fantastic work on the editing. I feel like that goes without credit a lot
We Necron players were just laughing when we saw the "changes". A lot of players were in panic because of LOV. I think pretty much everyone agrees that we were expecting at least a point nerf to the C'tan. It's still early days for the Necrons but there will be a big nerf coming up next, we all know that.
Being unable to use the +2 movement blessing with the auto 6” advance stratagem is pretty harsh and really affects the power of big eightbound units that scout forwards. Or Angron
Drop a unit or 2 and get the manticores back . . . . . Idk from a army thats barely staying afloat, agree with the take on guard but thats pretty optimistic.
It's kind of stupid for them to force you to take Eldrid and guardians when they suck for every reason other than to. Get fate dies.
Basically suggestive, it is they've ruined 10th edition. Can we go back to ninth?
Bit biased on the Templars there, even your mate gave you a sidways glance lol…Espcially after being so down for the world eater changes. BT are arguably the strongest army now up with Necrons. Thanks for the great content and congrats on Mr Lorah bringing if home for England!
Where abouts is the wulfen change? I can't find it
Making the manticore that was good 100% unviable was a low blow. Feel like crushing the model. Waste my money and time. FkU GW
When will the dataslates stop?
Angron is a huge swinger. Hell yeah.
If anything, it's too balanced. The competitive community turned 40k into a boring generic flavourless slog, gj.
Grey Knights should be okay into Necrons – don't forget the Grand Master has the same ignore modifiers rule as Trajann so the damage 2 force weapons with free Dev Wounds strat will drop C'tans with a quickness
I would have made Phantasm 1d6+1, maximum 6", at least you would avoid spend 1cp to move 1"… 6d6 strands of fate hurts a lot but we will overcome 💪
I do agree that the Blood Angel changes aren't enough to get us playing Sons over Gladius, however it is worth noting that the +2 Str does take a lot of units over key break points for wound rolls, expecially with the Lance/Lethal strat
Do you believe that GW may change the Watcher in the Dark to “4+ FNP against mortals and Dev wounds” as well? They feel so lackluster sometimes as well
40k will never be balanced, it’s not in gw’s interest to make it balanced as that would diminish the need for a new rule set and accompanying codexs
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Custodies being so tier again means you can't run any other combat army as they easily wipe any other cc army
No indirect, not lone operative? Bland or fair?