Have you ever been playing Fallout and encountered something that just left you scratching your head because there’s no way it could possibly happen? well it happens a lot more than you’d think. gather round the campfire as we share stories of survival in the world of Fallout and why they are so problematic.
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"Already the temperatures at night are dropping down near 40 degrees Fahrenheit and that's only going to get worse as winter sets in." This broke me. You had a nice ominous feeling going there till I hit that line and started laughing. 🤣I live in the Rocky Mountains and what he considers a sign of winter is what we consider a sign of summer. Almost 2/3rds of my year is spent with temperatures worse than that, and about 175 days a year have highs under 32. Someday they'll make that Fallout game set in Montana or Wyoming and you guys can get a hint about what cold really is.
I'm not sure it's a question of them being content, but more learned helplessness.
the shock of a total collapse of society isn't like going back 200 years where we already had governments, libraries and history.
it would be a total reset where we would see the productive and intellectual individuals hunted for ressources by the common person who can barely change a tire let alone repurpose the cars alternator into a generator for a waterpurifer.
clean water isn't just something that can be pulled out of the ground in a lot of places due to pollution that most likely will be there for several hundred years.
and without clean water people will be worse of mentaly and physically meaning that they have less excess energy to better their circumstances.
litteracy will also go down to maybe 2-5% at best since books will most likely not be printed for the first 20 years and already now we see groups who wish to ban books… the fact that books have limited resistance to moisture and fire would mean books probably wont be all that abbundant after even just a couple of years.
in fact the biggest question is how many people survive the initial blast.
the more surviviors that have to share the ressources initially the less chance humanity will have since they'll split into groups that fight
The issue is that the fallout world isn't our world even though the same timeline existed up until WW2. The reasons why recovery was harder than it would have been in our world (maybe – we haven't faced a global appocolypse yet).
1. The lack of resources – may resources like oil had been exhausted in Fallout.
2. Far more bombs used. Far more nukes were used than was likely in a real world WW3 scenario.
3. Persistant radiation – unlike our world radiation remains at high levels after two centuries.
3. FEV – FEV sped the creation of mutants and monsters who pose a deadly threat to survivors. Some even predate the war.
4. Uncaring or hostile Government – The Enclave and other factions like BOS or the institute have no interest in rebuilding society and often destroy rebuilding efforts.
5. Social stagnation – even before the nukes fell the fallout world had stagnated into a sci fi 1950s.
6. The vaults – the vaults could have been the seed to rebuild but Valtec had other ideas.
7. Cuthullu and Aliens – these exist in Fallout and have a malign effect on the world.
Plus many more.
Its really just the fallout made by bethesda. Original fallout and its lore (albeit a bit crazy and over the top) have a lot of very crazy citys near the west
Here's one thing people forget about Fallout… The world runs of comic book logic, *by design*. Radiation functions more like magic that it does in the real world, turning people into immortal walking corpses and making bugs big and giving a lot of animals more than one head for some reason. Lasers have recoil. For some reason, nearly every single bandit decides to clad themselves in leather and start wearing mohawks and a group of ex-military soldiers somehow decided to reform themselves into a quasi-religious order and call the various people in their ranks scribes, knights, and paladins like it's some D&D game. The creator's original purpose of the Vault's was for the Enclave to get information and more or less fuck off into outer space and live on a space station. Because it runs solely on the "rule of cool".
The idea that people would live in shacks without temperature controls of any kind (shuttered windows and insulating walls as you mentioned) is a result of lazy game design which is unfortunate when the potential is there. I fully agree with your point regarding the retention of knowledge too and would argue even if some is lost over a few generations there is no way we would not have actual civilization in most cities not irradiated to hell.
Raiders to me cause a massive immersion break because their way of life would make total sense a decade or a few after the bombs dropped but after literal centuries most would have starved or died off. Or settled down, civilized and formed nations as their needs were fulfilled.
Speaking of immersion breaks, I had one in the video the moment moment you start talking right wing buzzwords, you lost me, which is unfortunate because I like the content. Damn i hope you honestly don't subscribe to that manosphere nonsense about politically correct cancel culture and stuff.
So true, so true. In the original fallouts (Fallout 1 and 2) what you had were little pockets of civilization that had rebuilt, actual towns with farms and well's and walls and the other amenities that should exist in a settlement 100+ years removed from the bombs. Bethesda Fallout is set 200 years after the bombs, and they live like its 2 years after… The other big problem is you get all this stuff about what was happening 200 years ago rite after the bombs fell, mostly from terminals (where exactly is the electricity coming from?) What happened 200 years ago is irrelevant, what the writers need to focus on is what is happening right now. There are just so many threads I could pull, if the raiders don't farm (and they don't) and they kill the people who do farm (and they do) but they don't take over the farms and start farming HOW THE HELL DO THEY SURVIVE. After at most a couple of years there would be no one left who farms and without agriculture everyone would starve to death. The writers at Bethesda don't seem to have considered at all what life would be like 200 years after a nuclear war. In the worst case scenario most of the major cities are gone, but not the minor ones… and the radiation is at manageable levels just a few years after. Hiroshima is populated now, has been for decades, yes, the cancer rates are higher than normal, but it's not a nuclear wasteland. I don't want to be a Hiroshima documentary, but how about a little thought put into creating a more believable post apocalypse, for me it's a big part of why fallout 1 and 2 so much better.
Did this man say picker up? I’m so confused
Logically we should be seeing oasis's of proper architectural stability and cleanliness in the sea of post nuclear apocalypse ruins, like seriously in the Bethesda Fallout games it's like the people do the bare minimum to build their houses, and be perfectly ok with never patching up the many many MANY gaps in their walls.
It genuinely annoys me that in Fallout 4 your character is ok with making walls of barely put together planks of wood when making their settlements even though they are from pre-nuke time so THEY are used of properly made buildings, and should by all means put in that extra effort to make walls that can actually block the cold air and rain from entering through the wide gaps.
And yes, there's absolutely no surprise that people had infact made mods to remedy this.
Quite thought provoking. Your outro was very cool.
Fallout is the victim of a load of 'city slickers who never did a lick of work in their lives'. And… they believe 'post-apocalypse' means trash everywhere, not people rebuilding their lives.
It's like bathesda doesn't understand we lived without prebuilt homes for a long LONG time, ironically enough the game about building doesn't get you have any insulation
The 200 year timescale bothers me the most. No-one ever thought to pick up a broom in those 200 years to tidy up? Anything combustible would have been used for fires, so why are there still newspapers and magazines lying around. Never mind that 200 years expose to the elements would have bio-degraded the paper. And 200 years is a long enough time for nature and the weather to have reclaimed many of the structures in the world. Also, who is maintaining the machinery? Elevators still working 200 years later with no fatigue to their cables or seized motors. Computer terminals still running programs 200 years later and no bit rot occurring to their central storage. And who reset the computer systems after the EMPs from the nukes wiped out the electronics?
Then there's the nigh total stagnation of human society. Look at any 200 year period in human history and compare and contrast the start and end of those 200 years. Population density or lack of it. 200 years is ~10 generations.
The Fallout world feels more believable if it was 20 not 200 years after the bombs fell.
Fallout acts like its 5 years after the war, not 200-300
Depicting realistic but broken worlds is hard, this video makes me appreciate good apocalypse world building more, I really like the worlds of TheLastofUs for example: Big cities got turned into safer good working quarantine zones but outside these hubs the world is mostly untouched. I know a nuclear fallout is different than a deadly pandemic. And I know Fallout isnt about realism but while Tommy repairs a dam and build the Jackson settlement in TLOU, theres fallout people living in a shacks around a crater with a nuclear bomb in the basement =). It just kinda breaks the immersion, I think these crappy settlements got designed that way to look coll but they wouldnt function well.
Another world I like is the one of Stalker, yes radiation makes many places unliveable there too bad the stalkers make the best out of whats left of the commie infrastructure, nobody stays in shacks there either, altough getting fresh food in a radiated zone is difficult.
Personally I am torn on this question.
For one, sure – 200 years after the apocalypse settlements should look fairly 'normal' People shouldn't live in ramshackle shacks anymore. Or AT LEAST they should put the paint cans you can find everywhere to good use and pick up some trash around the houses…
200 years after bomb, considering fine mechanic and industry haven't recovered by then (which is quite possible) guns and bullets would be way more scarce then they are. Sure, you might find some in pristine condition in a bunker – but you really sure, that those .308 you'd find in a half sunken steamer trunk filled with water are still good? Or the sniper rifle laying on top of it?
We would see a lot more bows, crossbows, slings – and maybe black powder weapons and such…
On the other hand – it IS the aesthetic associated with Fallout. Changing it, wouldn't make it better really. You might appease fans who hope for 'realism' but you'd alienate those who like the look in the same act.
I love it for the whacky humor and the dark themes mixed together and the look and feel belongst to the game – otherwise it would be just another fantasy rpg with guns as highly coveted 'magical artifacts' from a bygone age.
If Fallout 5 wasn't aeons away these speculations would make more sense. We could have a realistic discussion about how the next game should look. Obviously the trauma of the war and the utter collapse of society puts us closer to a parallel with western Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire and there were places where it did take 200 years or so for things to get sorted out. If Fallout 5 was set even a couple of decades after the events of Fallout 4 we would expect to see some improvement, unless you have people like The Institute and The Enclave actively preventing development. This is something that isn't in the video. The Institute does show some signs of development and improvement. There is your potentially functioning post war civilisation. Time for another Institute playthrough, I think….
An interesting video but Grey demonstrates he doesn't understand political correctness. It isn't inherently cencorship but a disparaging name given to the current societal shift in the acceptability of certain terms. That shift is a function of language and has always happened. It also doesn't stop us critically engaging with difficult topics but can enhance it. Discouraging people from dismissing others with learning difficulties by using the R-slur creates a space where those people with difficulties can engage and the broader society can begin to better understand them.
So yeah, interesting video, Fox News soapboxing aside.
you're not accounting for the damage one drug addicted adult in power armor can accomplish.
Take away the psychology mumbo jumbo and theres a better reason. People would not just forget everything they know like skills. There are mechanics, farmers, construction workers, all walks of life that would have survived and would have set those skills to use, those without useful skills like an office worker would learn them or die. Anyone with a flower garden would know how to grow food. The fallout world requires post war ignorance of former skills.
Small communities would not just stop existing, what would stop is dependence on others. Small communities would be far from any blast zone and would have the most skilled people to survive. Local schools would still be run. Farmers would still farm but on a smaller scale and enough to feed the town with the assistance of people that did jobs that are no longer needed who would become regular farmers themselves. Construction workers would be maintaining the homes or making new building materials. people would take a role for the survival of their community. First few years would be tough going, but then again they would be better off than bronze age people and they were not devolving but eventually became us. Communities would survive and begin to thrive, humans did it already from hunter gatherer tribes to the bronze age when communities became civilizations with cities and they knew far less about the world science, and technology than post war humans would. Cities would collapse as they did in ancient history and those people would move out to the thousands of small communities and take up a roll in them. Humans did that many times in the past. Then all those small communities would begin trading with each other in less than 10 years. That trade would start the birth of post war civilizations, we humans already did that in the ancient past.
Raiders? The only thing like those would be in the cities and they would be very short lived. Dying from overdose or killing each other would take care of most of them in the first few years and all the most violent would be the first of those to go. Starvation would take out many. Time would deal with the rest because their numbers would not grow but dwindle. Figure less than a decade for those to raiders to become history.
In 50 years you would have small scale regional industrialization. in 100 years full on civilizations. 200 years full global trade. 300 years and back to the same level of technological capabilities. 400 years and more advanced than before the war. And that might happen without wars.
As for radiation… people live in Hiroshima and Nagasaki without needing Geiger counters, they started moving in and rebuilding soon after the war that ended due to the nukes that landed on the cities.
Nothing in fallout ever made any sense. 200 years??? Not a single one of those buildings in Sanctuary would exist. Water gets into major structural beams and everything collapses. likely none of those buildings would exist after a mere 20 years. At 50 years its just a collection of bare cracked foundations. All the mutation stuff is also nonsense. You dont get a species of 2 headed cows in a mere 200 years without someone having manually made them. Super mutants only make sense as a genetic editing weapons project. Ghouls are just nonsense that wouldnt exist ever anywhere. The town of Megaton is …just poorly written garbage. Trivial skill in building anything would quickly result in stuff that resembled at least medieval to 1800's houses and cabins. Simple solid building made out of locally available materials (fired mud brick, stone, lumber) would be trivial to accomplish in under 6 months. At 200 years they should be done with rebuilding civilization about 170 years ago.
Bro that fucking alarm in the intro scared the fuck out of me.
Its worth considering that 200 years before the great war was 1877, just coming into victorian.
Back then, electricity was fairly new and sparse, combustion engines existed, but mass oil infrastructure and cars were less accessible and more primitive. Trains worked on steam.
Telephones and telegrams were used, but computers were a way off , there was some factory production, but mass production and global trade were on a smaller scale using more primitive ships and more local production, agriculture etc.
With surviving structures, bunkers/vaults and stores of water and food around the nation to weather the first stages after the bombs, i cant imagine 2077 was thrown significantly further back.
Books werent universally destroyed, so im sure people could replicate basic electric infrastructure (though maybe not electronic) and get combustion/steam engines up and running with wood or ethanol/plant oil fuels , as we've seen vertibirds functional in the post apocolypse as early as fo76. Home building can be done with even crude repairs cutting timbers and nailing them in place using hand tools, or to a very high standard if someone spends a few years learning .
Id imagine justice would go more old west, with summary excecution of raiders protecting settlements through reputation of violence as has also been seen in the franchise.
Well I think there are other issues like for example it taking 200 years to discover things. Like for example the kid who got locked in the fridge for 200 years. Like really.
"Only those who disobeyed survived" is a cold reality I am seeing play out too often
God rest the souls lost in Maui
pickerup truck triggers me just call it a ute mate otherwise good vid