In the gospel accounts, Jesus’ ministry begins with his baptism by a figure named John the Baptist, whose own disciples continued to revere him after his execution. Many historians have argued that the historical Jesus was originally a disciple of John the Baptist. John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place will look at what is known about the historical John, his practice of baptism, and his legacy in both Christianity and also Mandaeism (a small, ancient religion which may trace its origin to John’s disciples).
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John Baptist needs more love by historians
Once again, thank you for making these wonderful lectures freely available to the public. Great work!
This lecture series is the best YouTube discovery I have made this year. Last year’s lucky find:Terrence McKenna!
I would Suggest you do a Little more Research into the Lord's Prayer.
The Lords Prayer Existed long before Johnny B & Jesus
Great Presentation as Usual.
Also, it Appears that you take the Mormons Tongue & Cheek. More Respect is well Deserved.
I met a Man who in the 1950s met some Mormon Boys after WW2 while enlisted in the US Armed Forces.
The man was only 30 at the time. He made the statement, "Those Mormon Boys are the Only Religious People I ever met who were not HYPOCRITS." As compared to other Christians & Pseudo Christiams.
Also, FBI & CIA Regard LDS Young Men & as the Best for Recruitment …
Thanks. GREAT Presentation as Usual
Jesus' relationship with Jesus must have been pretty intimate.
The locust should be the fruits of the carob tree which grows wild in the eastern meditterranean. Smelly but very sweet dry fruit.
I had a comment but then I forgot. So I'll just say thank you
John Hamer The Baptist Preacher zzzzzz
Nero Julius Ceasar, the 'favorite' son of Germanicus (Zebedee, who dwells with god) 'twin' sons, ; the dioscuri or Nicolaitans (beloved of the people). Germanicus was a notoirious deceiver, pander and heir of ceasar (Tiberiius Julius Abdes Pantera Sidonia) aka Pandera. Germanicus 'twin' was send in exile (prisoned and martyred) at the island of Pandateria (land of the banned or bandits), Gadara Dalmathua. The brothers name is Drusus (andreas, andrew) J.C. nicknamed James the Less-er. Germanicus is also the father of Aggrippina minor (the blessed Lady) and the granddad of Neres (chrestus). The 'gens' or clan aka 'the scattered elect (-s-ed) far of abroad' what compares with the fallen angels or boanerges, walkures.
Great to see your usual standard of scholarly excellence has resumed.
Was John the Baptist Elijah? In John 1:19-28, John the Baptist is asked if he is Elijah, and he denies that he is Elijah (or the Prophet or the Christ). Yet in Matthew 11:14,
Jesus says that John the Baptist is the “Elijah who is to come,
Who was right?
“John The Revelator” (a.k.a Jesus). John The Baptizer — the legitimate High Priest of Israel.
Interesting take on the historical John the Baptist but I can't take seriously the claim at 1:01 that John appeared to Joseph Smith Jr and Oliver Cowdery in Harmony, Pennsylivania in 1829. I'll be blunt : I believe Joseph Smith Jr was an oversexed, schizotypal charlatan. Pride is a cardinal sin and to claim that John visited them 1800 years after his execution is the height of hubris !
Occult initiation ritual and mindcontrol of the people – and still their best divide and conquer tool ! Stop these silly jewish myths by exposing the fraud which is the bible!
How John the Baptist fits into the broader history around development of Christianity and indeed the broader Abrahamic tradition is really interesting and the mysterious background of the Mandaeans just adds an extra layer that can’t help but get my mind going. As said in this video and others on the channel, it’s impossible to prove whether the Mandaeans truly do go back to John the Baptist, but a couple of things can’t help but stand out to me when wondering about.
1) Hardcore asceticism often comes hand in hand with cosmological dualism. Variations on the phenomenon also famously manifested within Jainism and Manichaeism. The notion that the temptations or creature comforts of the material world is evil in some sense naturally lends itself to the idea that the material world at base is evil and something totally apart from the spiritual realm of light. Alternatively, maybe that’s an explanation you might think of to justify the practice afterward. Or it could have motivated by the need for a new direction after the loss of their leader. The point being that the asceticism of John’s movement might have over time given way to Mandaean dualism. John himself wouldn’t have necessarily had to be the one preaching it for it to appear among his followers anymore than it did amongst those in the congregations of Proto-Orthodox Christians.
2) However, if Jesus did take a number of John’s followers with when he started his own ministry and they did bring either Mandaean or Proto-Mandaean concepts along with them, then that could explain why Gnosticism was such a prevalent heretical movement throughout the early church communities. Mandeaeism tends to get classified as a species of Gnosticism due to the amount of overlap. The aforementioned dualistic outlook, a tenuous relationship with the Hebrew Bible, some level of ascetic practice involved, etc. When it comes to what comes groups who play their cards so close to the chest like the ones in question, it can be heard to know for sure all their most important beliefs. A critical difference of course was that the Gnostics fully embraced Jesus as the Messiah while the Mandaeans regardless of where their origins lie reject him as a false prophet alongside Abraham and Moses.
3) And thus notable that the Gnostics weren’t the only distinctive religious group outside mainline Christianity to accept Jesus as a critical figure. Newer full-blown ancient religions including Manichaeism, Islam and Druzism all adopted him into their story even if they had had different understandings of him than Christians. Specifically, the fact that they viewed him as a prophet rather than the divine son of God. The Mandaeans stand out as a faith connected to the Abrahamic religions which came after Christianity that didn’t even accept Jesus on those terms. It can’t help but raise the question as to why that might have been the case despite the wider pattern. He was a popular and widely respected figure in their world many claimed as their own which could indicate an established loyalty to John’s movement which preceded the rise of Jesus’ own into what looks like a rival.
Naturally, that’s all just me speculating. It’s perhaps even downright fanciful and can have holes poked in it by those who know more about these subjects than I do. But these are the thoughts that came to me about the topic at hand based upon what I know now and I might as well leave them here. These lectures and the discussions alongside them are just great food for thought in general.
Baptism 'to, by He.
Are there gods that descend from heaven and get earth girls pregnant producing demigods? Of course not, that is mythology. Do people ascend to heaven to live with the gods? Of course not, that is also mythology. The bible begins and ends with mythology, which implies everything within the covers is mythology. "Bible Codec/ YHVH meaning"
Hmm. I thought John the Revelator and John of the gospel were thought to be one and the same. I'll take your word on it. How about the Luke author and the book of Acts? Are they also not the same guy?