Today on The Hard Count, there’s a lot of talk about the Michigan sign stealing investigation. We can all agree cheating is wrong but does that invalidate their success the past couple of. seasons? J.D. gives his thoughts. With Ohio State’s HUGE win over Penn State, J.D. takes a pulse of where things stand with the Progrum in Columbus, OH and why things are different in 2023 for Ryan Day and Co. Finally, J.D. breaks down his Nothing But Ball Top 10 heading into Week 9 and takes inventory of what we can learn about the Texas culture from their current QB situation. Let’s have a DAY!
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Brent Venables was being accused of this for years. Ryan Day finally outsmarted him in 2020. Ryan Day changed the plays and didnt give time Venables' team to relay it. Ohio Dtate ended up deatroying Clemson after that. It definitely led a lot of credence to what Day was saying.
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all i know scUM bags are cheaters..
I hate cheaters but more especially rule breaking cheaters.
One thing I never understood though… let them steal the signs, then on big plays activate ‘opposite signs’ and use it against them!
Sir it’s an advantage and with how close teams are it could easily be the difference in 12-0 and 10-2 and missing the playoffs. Downplaying this whole thing is very off putting. I like and respect you a ton but this was not a good look at all.
Seriously bad take. Them being a good team regardless is an asinine point. Them going or missing the playoffs is the point you need to focus on and the only one that matters in the big picture.
Ps are you hinting tOSU or B1G has something to do with this discovery? Serious question. I’m curious.
Ps OU fan here and I don’t care about Michigan or tOSU so don’t get me wrong. I’m not a hater.
Normally like you buddy, but you’re just wrong on this one. It’s just cheating, and it’s definitely a huge advantage if it’s true.
TD pass or not. The result of cheating is not what determines the punishment. The act of cheating is. It is in PART why they had more success. The coach disrepected his own team when condoning this activity.
We can't invalidate their success? That's unfair? GTFO! Their coaches had laminated play sheets of teams signals. You can't get that watching film which doesnt contain the sidelines! OSU scored a TD on the video people are referencing, but it's okay to invalidate the significance of Mich cheating because OSU scored? If a MLB player knows a curveball is coming he still might miss it and strikeout but I'll GUARANTEE you his chances of hitting it SIGNIFICANTLY increase of he KNOWS its not a fastball. Just eliminating run of pass is insanely significant. Let's not invalidate their success though. That'd be unfair.
Cheat in football you cheat in life.
JD. Youre losing me, man. Why is it so difficult to say this was blatant cheating and deserves for everyone to take it seriously and should be punished and leave it there?
Result of the play, even the result of the game is irrelevant. What's legal at the NFL level is even more irrelevant. You, as well as everyone else, outside of Michigan and their opponents have no clue what advantage this gave them. Although the evidence points to this providing a significant advantage: Continuing to do it for multiple years, being more successful only after starting it, former college football players saying it DOES provide significant advantage (even some in this comments section), and being beat badly by the only team they didnt cheat against?
Theres no positive in defending this. There's no value in dying on this hill, JD. What are you defending? The players who also appear to have known the signs and participated in this? Their additional success that only started after they started their sign stealing system? It seems like you care about all the wrong things in this situation.
Harbaugh just tainted your program forever. You're now the Michigan Astros.
Hope the 0 titles Jim Harbelichick brought you are worth it.😂
If having the signs doesn't matter why did they go to such great lengths to do it?
Your takes make 0 sense. Like Harbaughs 0 titles.
All those dominant UM players that went 2-4?
Delusion is no way to live.
Heres how I feel. What would your take be if this was Ryan Day?
It absolutely gives them a big advantage! And try coaching or play against them. Tell yourself it does not make a difference.
You are so lame… It's a classless act and illegal. Case closed.
The extent this happened is the problem. Most teams probably are not doing it illegally which provided UM an unfair advantage. Why would UM ramp up this program over the last few years to this extent if it wasn't effective. If it provided no further benefit than what normal sign stealing does, why put their program at risk. Also, its not that it definitely invalidates UM's success, its the doubt that now exists that causes the harm. OSU and Michigan are so close that maybe it was one successful "steal" that caused these games to snowball. If OSU had had initial success offensively in the second half last year, would the outcome be different. I don't think it did but I don't know it didn't. I think Michigan's success now and in the future will be rightfully questioned because its not known if it was truly earned on the field.
There is not an issue with NFL since they use microphone in their helmets. Also there are different rules and things allowed between college and NFL
Michigan should no longer be rated #2 since they have been cheating to win games.
After reading the WAPO article it has become clear to me this is being orchestrated by OSU, Ryan Day and the PR firm they hired to run a smear campaign against Michigan. This has been going on (stealing signs) with College and Pro sports since the beginning of time. Hell, last year OSU changed all their signs and still got rolled. If you are not changing your signs before and during a game you probably shouldn't be coaching. Shame on them!!! All these stories are speculation. Let the process play out and see what happens. That being said they have cemented the feeling for the Michigan team "us verses everybody!! Oh boy OSU keep poking the bear!!!