Week 272 – The Futile Fight in Hurtgen Forest – WW2 – November 11, 1944



The struggle for Hurtgen forest, one tiny piece at a time, continues. The Allies have, however, secured Walcheren Island, and also launch Operation Queen to try and reach and cross the Roer River, and further south even launch a new offensive aiming for Metz . Things are not going well for the Americans on Leyte, though, but they’re even worse for the Chinese as both Guilin and Liuzhou fall to the Japanese. As for the Soviets, they are busy making big plans for a gigantic offensive to drive in to Germany when the new year comes.

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00:00 Intro
01:01 Recap
01:22 Breakneck Ridge on Leyte
07:10 Japanese take Guilin and Liuzhou in China
08:43 Allies secure Walcheren Island
09:56 Allied attacks in Hurtgen Forest
14:35 Patton’s 3rd Army’s new offensive near Metz
18:02 Red Army attacks toward Budapest
19:44 Soviet Plans for a Berlin Offensive
22:56 Allied attacks in Italy and a few notes

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41 thoughts on “Week 272 – The Futile Fight in Hurtgen Forest – WW2 – November 11, 1944”

  1. We want to take a moment to address our special video on Western Front Tanks that came out earlier this week. Unfortunately, this video had a number historical and technical errors that weren't properly dealt with during the production process. Many of you caught them and rightly pointed them out. After discussing things as a team we decided to take the video down so that we can fix its issues and reupload at a later date. You all deserve the highest possible standard of content, and we want you all to know we're working hard on delivering exactly that to you.

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  2. Huertgen Forest the American's real hardscrabble mini-version of Operation Mars that Zhukov deep-sixed after the war .Much of the conflict was upstaged by the Bule..Bulge and more Bulge books that became the height of WW2 writing in Europe . It was kind of a battle that Clarke was so-good at in Italy. A lot of casualities and little progress in one big ass forest ,which as in War Games are impenetrable defensive blugeoned piece by piece melees.

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  3. It is surreal seeing all the familiar names of the cities around my home.
    Sure, you often see the images of the bombed Cologne but only this coverage and the maps makes it tangible what happened just around the corner, the Hürtgenwald being only 40 km away from where I live.

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  4. This battle was so intense and the terrain is so bad that to this day over 90% of the Artillery shells, Mines, grenades and fallen soldiers of the Battle of the Hürtgen Wald are yet to be cleared. This is why when you're visiting the forest you aren't allowed to stray of the main pathways because it isn't a question of if you're going to step on a landmine or similar UXO but rather a question of when you're going to step on one.
    On the other hand though, if you're a collector and you have a metal detector and lack any sense of self preservation then this forest is a goldmine

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  5. On MacArthur
    He took more territory than any other Allied Commander'
    After Pearl Harbor he did order his Air Force to be dispersed, but miscommunication between his Chief of Staff, Sutherland and his air commander's inaction this was botched. as C in C this was Mac fault. Nevertheless, the Japanese were mobilized and could not be stopped whatever the Americans did.
    He did not want to leave his men, but was ordered to do so. He was told he would lead a counter attack.
    His campaign in New Guinea was the greatest use of envelopment tactics in US military history, particularly at Hollandia and Los Negros, 81 successful amphibious operations.
    Despite difficulties and miscalculation of Japanese intentions at Leyte In he the had 20 to 1 advantage over Japanese in casualties

    His decision to proceed to the Philippines and the raids on POW camps saved thousands of American POWs whom the Japanese planed to execute.
    His subsequent actions included the brilliant handling of the Japanese Occupation, and his last great victory at Inchon.
    I will concede that he underestimated the Chinese in Korea

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  6. My father served in the 707th Tank Battalion. It was attached to the 28th ID. Heavily involved and took heavy causalities. Ray Fleig was a LT in the 707th and is a hero worth knowing.

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  7. The Hurtgen Forest was basically used as a training ground for new troops, for the Allies Divisions were put into the front line and pull out and a new one put in while the other division is given some R&R and resupplied with men and material. The Germans had a whole bunch of new troops that were called up by the individuals who tried to kill Hitler and they were being trained up for an upcoming operation that will happen in December so Germany had a bunch of new troops and well the Hurtgen Forest was the best place for them to get some actual combat training.

    But yes Hurtgen Forest was a Hell Hole and due to the operation that Germany started in mid December (I.E. The Battle of the Budge) it quickly fell to way side since the battle became front page news.

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  8. As someone curious about the future [and, perhaps, far from historically-learned], I'm curious about something. What makes Budapest such a big deal? Like is it just because it's the capital of a major country close to Germany? Would it falling be a particularly drastic event in the course of the conflict [at least, more so than other major cities]?

    Up until I started watching this series, my only knowledge was of largely Americanized renditions of the war, which – while not exactly wrong – do definitely leave a lot of important details out.

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  9. 19:20 My Grandfather was from Apatin – it was one of the settlement areas of the Danube Swabians – German settlers coming there some 200 years earlier.
    He took most of the war fleeing together with his family through then Jugoslawia and Hungary towards Austria and ended up somewhere near Vienna at the end of the war.

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  10. Interesting to see the 28th infantry division in this battle of the Hürtgen forest. I first heard of this division reading about another battle. They'd been put in a quiet sector of the front in order to recover from their previous battle. I can see now why they were in need of a quiet place to refit.

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  11. I'm sure many people have made this remark/joke hundreds of times before(so apologies), but I'm a new subscriber and I'd like to welcome alternate universe historian Bob Odenkirk into my YouTube feed!
    🤪

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