Josh and William Costello discuss the findings of his research into incels and it’s implication in understanding the sub-culture. They also discuss the evolutionary psychological understanding of mate preference and how this applies to modern dating.
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What a GYNOCENTRIC take on men’s issues. The suicide rates are climbing… YOU are NOT HELPING. Spreading the stigma instead. How much did you get offered to make this?
Wasn’t aware Lotus Eaters were into making Propaganda for profit.
19:25 No. Our other option is to return the game to the "easy" (aka fair and balanced) state it was in fifty years ago. Stop demanding we cope and start helping us fix the game and make it better.
Women reward Chaddeus Vladimir Thunderschlong III for being jacked. Women reward Tyrone Tyreesius Dickerdown Jones with his 12" slam sausage when he will Dickerdown all the way to Jonestown. Women will reward Lord Nigel Pennyworth Bankbalance for buying her a $50,000 Prada bag.
You however, the good solid guy with morals and a personality, by 35 when she is ready you better be 95% of all three of those guys or else she won't settle for you. 🤨😮💨
To me, it comes down to two things. First, that to be denied contact with the opposite sex can have devastating psycological effects on a male, a fact which is however vehemently denied by most people for reasons that i suspect are actually less than honest. That is, that most "normal" people (or normies as incels would say) downplay the severity of being cut off from the opposite sex purely because to aknowledge the real suffering lonliness can cause is to admit to have experienced it at some point, which may lower one's own social standing in the eyes of others, because, and this is the second problem, there is nothing that terrifies a man more than to be percieved as a "loser", which automatically results in ridicule and social ostracization.
So incels are besets on two fronts. First, there is the objective suffering resulting from their lonliness and lack of romantic and sexual contact with the opposite sex. And then, the very condition that is causing their lives to be miserable, also has the effect of drawing the emnity of society and generally giving people the leeway to just pile on them and literally kick them while they are down.
Now if you combine those two aspects with the fact their failure to attrack the opposite sex is often due to things that are generally beyond their control (yes, physical attractiveness actually matters a great deal, no matter how society wants to deny this. No, going to the "gym" is not going to fix your face, and there's also no "gym" if the problem is mental conditions like autism, social phobia etc), it doesn't take a genius to see how all this would drive some men to become bitter and resentful.
Imagine choosing to be a evolutionary full stop. Crazy
Men need to be told not to chase women, but instead better themselves, and build wealth and resources.
54:45 This right here is the most understated problem in the dating and marriage world today. Never in my entire life has anyone in my family shown any investment in whether or not I ever get married or have children. At best, they don't care if our bloodline ends with me. At worst, I receive the full brunt of the blame. My parents (who, of course, divorced when I was a child) never put in any effort to "set me up" with someone, nor did they do anything to even teach me how to find someone on my own. I was just expected to "figure it out." This may in fact be the greatest contributing factor to why this generation has failed so miserably: The complete apathy of the previous generation.
I always use these guys as another reason to promote legal prostitution. However, many groups of people have decided that such men are insignificant when compared to the issue of legal prostitution. Opponents of legal prostitution would rather lump sex trafficking into consensual sex work in order to justify their bans. It is a great way to get supporters of "Whatever consenting adults do is none of my business" into the mix.
I call the activists in the USA "The unholy alliance." I has a huge number of holy men and sex negative feminists.
23:20 This is another reason for the world's oldest profession to exist. However, I doubt self described conservatives would like to address this one. They will exercise cognitive dissonance for their complete bans, rather than be consistent and say "Free market economics rule." I love how even holy man St Thomas Aquinas defended the existence of sex workers. He knew what many guys would be like without any sexual access. Sure, he might prefer if such men acted like monks, but that will never happen.
39:21 Some men are hopeless because they tried really hard, but can't build wealth and status. They may be another underemployed and heavily indebted college grad. They already have been cutting expenses, saving, and seeking better jobs, and telling them to keep cutting expenses, saving, and seeking better jobs just rubs salt in their wounds. Some people are angry because they followed the script to success for years, but are still poor.
44:59 Many people are using apps because their difficult life schedule leaves little time for finding a date. "Hey low status men, work your full time job, get a side hustle, and go to the gym! You'll move up and attract women."
46:22 Sometimes it might as well be "No interesting guys approach. Only losers approach." Ladies, if you want someone, YOU approach. You can't count on men to do it all. Besides some decent men may have a few flaws in their ability to communicate or detect your hints. They might not be overall bad guys, just guys with a few limitations.
46:46 This is another reason women will have to approach men more. Some men have a powerful of wrongful accusations of harassment. Some simple thing they say could be taken out of context, and then they would be destroyed legally.
52:35 That means the guys who have game or sell game know how to appear to be an excellent stay at home dad without actually being one. Good luck guys. I hope the hopelessly single guys can pull off an act.
51:37 No. That's the classic case of women saying one thing and doing another. Women say they want a loving, caring, intelligent man but when one who fills all of those qualities but isn't rich, good-looking, and a master seducer comes along they reject him or even laugh in his face.
Wow. You guys are really just clueless aren't you?
JBP has been through a lot since he fist came into the public eye. The man was hospitalized in part because of the shit he went through. It is no wonder his public persona has changed so much.
@49:00 I think i need to reboot my over perception biase again. It's stopped working
…"I don't advise not using the apps" …. "everybody's busy, It's not likely to happen in real life" – also – Over 80% of women online chase (or want to be chased by) under 20% of the men online. Women rate most men on line as below average or average. Women don't do average
Hmm I'm an older guy from a different day, but this math seems like it could add up to some negative numbers
I think this problem is brought on by a new technology (social media mating) that seems to present (or give the illusion) to each individual female, the choice of any or all males. This ability is given to the most fastidiously selective females of any known species … Women and girls
…this ability is to be used on some of the most competive males known
…what could go wrong?
…… maybe soy is the solution?
Or like they used to say "if you can't beat them you can now join them"
[Disturbing, a polyandry based society is not a stable one. It is however our base nature and flourishes when our individual drives are collectively writ large]
What was it the progressives used to say? It's okay to hate your oppressors?
45:00
Meeh, I tried dating apps, the only matches I got were bots and women who didn't respond. Made me feel like shit until I started using the apps as a joke, and then entirely stopped.
I did meet my woman online tho, but in a facebook meme group. But I got lucky, she's basically me, but with tits. So we got along pretty fast.
Pro strat: Smash and dash. Catch no feelings. Cry no tears.
Group of people going abroad to rape and pillage…
Guess the vikings are the only acceptable answer, as anything current would be reeeecist.
This entire interview was impressively clueless and out of touch.
equivalent of incel in a female is called an "insin" involuntarily single. She can not secure desirable relationship but can be plowed any night. "Insin" involuntarily single female coping on the cc
What about "pay for play" – is that an Incel thing?
Couple of problems with the conclusions and observations at the end of the Interview. So I Just wanna point out a couple of things:
– friendships are dying throughout most of the western world. So it's becoming way harder for people to rilly on their friends in order to find a mate.
– we are slowly realizing that self improvement can only get you so Far, it's not a sollution for the current de dating market problem. What we need is a political solution, and that Will requiere some hardcore changes on How we opperate the job market, social media, and our communities.
Don't get me wrong, It was a Nice Interview,but the latter parte of It was Full of Boomer non-sense, and I Say this as a non-western who has met my wife through social media.
I'm amazed incels have been as peaceful as they have been. Typically young men who are not being sexually satisfied are the most violent and dangerous. I've heard that this is a contributing factor to Islamic extremism due to polygamy reducing the number of men who can marry women
Is the term incels, just another slur to put young men down? To keep them from adding to society ? Young men have fought tyrannous government's in the past. Now if one does so or speaks out he's immediately labelled as an incel.
Bro needs a real microphone; this was hard to hear with all the echo, sounds like he’s in a tunnel or bathroom.
Women have lost whats called soul
They have become the pawn of the lliberal cult
You can have all the diplomas you want
Academics only shag academics and still haven't got a clue why ..only that it was calculated
Whats tirty sixh perthent??
Almost sounds like this guy would benefit the more incel attacks
There is no such thing as "incel ideology" I really dont understand why the Lotus Eaters want to sound more and more like tumblr feminist. Is this some sort of power play to get in good with the globalist?
Dude, the red pill/blue pill thing have not originated from political views. It have nothing to do with politics. if tommorow the right start to tell bullshit and the left start to say truthfull things, the left will become red pill and the right become blue pill.
Also, it originated from the dating manosphere. Being bluepill = she loves you unconditionnally and if you please her the marriage will last. Red pill = she's an animal with needs and these needs will change overtime, she's not yours, it's just your turn.
Technically, every man on earth that have not a woman tied to him is an incel. Because we all go through phases of celibacy while we want to have a sexual partner. Even if we could get somebody, we can't just snap our fingers.
To me Incels are very similar to Marx, in the sense that they have an analysis of the world that's correct in more aspects than people would care to admit, but that's because their solutions to their correct diagnosis are incredibly horrid.
“Incel” is over used. Yes there are men who can’t get a date, I’m not saying such men don’t exist. But the term is thrown around so loosely that for all practical matters it means “criticizes a women in some way.”
Why be an incel when you can be MGTOW? I no longer validate my worth with women's or society's opinion in general.
Here is me approaching women.
Hi. My name is Ben from chattanooga tn. I'm a lazy underachiever who's contempt for the world is almost as great as the contempt I feel for myself.
Wanna have a coffee?
Serious offers only.
I don't want to feel this way about the world.
Therapists want to say its because I'm depressed and should take pills to feel better.
I say depression is a perfectly natural way to feel when the world is depressing. Maybe we could make the world less depressing instead of clogging my kidneys up with your pills…
What's the point of this interview? We know why incels are a thing. Only the Left and mainstream media refuse to acknowledge it.
Breaking your legs to gain height is straight out of Gattica. A lot of predictive programming in that film.
That 3rd wave idea sounds like Paul Elam, the algorithmically suppressed.
Nothing to see here just 2 psychologists flirting
Incels are just the tragedy of male sexuality. Evidence in our genomes shows that we have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors, which means that the majority of all the men who ever lived never got to reproduce. After all, within living memory the late Carl Sagan married three women consecutively and started families with each of them. And how many men are spending lonely nights now because a celebrity like Leo DiCaprio can load up his yacht with dozens of young women he has all to himself?
The 14-year-old boy who has a girlfriend shows how sexual relationships really work. He has a blank life résumé, and yet some girl in his community has decided that he is good enough in his given state to want to spend time with him as a potential mate. Notice that this boy doesn't have to undergo any of this stupid and humiliating nonsense about "improving" himself first to become worthy of a girlfriend.
this guy is a snake in the grass
just like peterstein
Even if you some how get a woman, its very hard to satisfy them. They are very consuming. Relationships are no guarantee of happiness. IT all about the effort you are willing to put in to satisfy your woman. If you have that energy or desire, then more power to you. If not, then maybe its better realizing what i realized very recently: "Happiness is not conditional. You dont do stuff to become happy. You do stuff because you are happy."
And that saying stuck with me because its true. I was never able to do anything when I was depressed. I needed to pull up my mood first (For me its reading the bible), but for you it can be anything that inspires you.
And I think this is something that incels need to understand. Relationships are hard work. Not only do you have to better yourself, you as a man need to be a leader, a protector, one who disciplines. This is all on top of your job which might be very difficult if it earns alot of money (Which you need now a days to support a family). And even that job is not easy to get anymore. Its not as straight forward as "go to college". These jobs are saturated and highly competitive.
Between the physical and mental abuse and the mummy issues I think it's fair to say all of my exes have indeed been crazy.
It sure as hell isn't my fault but I am chronically single as a result.