Remastered Champion (without alignment!) in Pathfinder 2e (Rules Lawyer)



ADDITIONS/ERRATA:
-A commenter points out that ANY shield becomes a “Sturdy Shield” while you wield it. So if you have a backup steel shield on your person, you basically have another pool of hit points at your disposal! Yes, it costs an action to take it out. But it also means you have the freedom to be more reckless with Shield Blocking because you can always take out a reserve.

“EXPLANATION of what replaces ALIGNMENT in the Pathfinder 2e Remaster!” (Rules Lawyer)
https://youtu.be/sC2R-kp94Tk?si=qnAntNf3bc7BNEGM

For the remastered Champion feats see “All Changes to Champion in Pathfinder 2e Remaster’s Player Core 2” (BadLuckGamer)
at timestamp: https://youtu.be/Y7DSIruDbWk?t=1846

Old Champion archetype discussed in “Free Archetype has ISSUES. We Need to Talk.” (SwingRipper)
at timestamp: https://youtu.be/326c8IBSNTo?t=96

0:00 Intro
1:33 Class features
10:05 Causes
19:01 Archetype

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31 thoughts on “Remastered Champion (without alignment!) in Pathfinder 2e (Rules Lawyer)”

  1. Something I realized about the new shield blessing is that it would work with the kineticist impluses that give you a shield. So if you architype into that you can get an entirely expendable sturdy shield that is replaced with one action that gets a little more hardness as you level. If you destructive block using the old bastion archetype (dunno if its in remaster) then you can block some huge damage with no worry for your shield.

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  2. Grandeur Champion captain of the guard. All of the guardsmen must look immaculate at all times and thus the thieves guild knows all they have to do to get away is duck into the nearest manhole and they won't be followed.

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  3. Am I the only one that feels… underwhelmed with the changes to Champion and Oracle? not necessarily negative, just… uninspired? like, I was hoping that Champion would be getting more powerful feats in exchange for creating a set of rules you need to live by. instead we get… basic roleplaying restrictions that amount to "your supposed to be playing a character that is devoted to doing good/evil" like… duh? but I'm not just a good/bad person, I'm a religious fanatic whose devotion to his god and their world view is the very source of my divine magic. Shouldn't I be expected to live in a specific fashion and gain power from that kind of devotion?

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  4. For me it looks like there is still alignment, they just renamed it into sanctification and good/evil is now called holy/unholy.
    Also all causes should be neutral or at least better named.
    Here what I mean.
    Desecration: What if my cause is the destruction and corruption (in the eyes of the followers) of demonic temples?
    Grandeur: Why can't I examplify the glory and splendor of Asmodeus? (Propaganda)
    Iniquity: AKA unfairness. It sounds more like the result of cause, like of supremacy, greed or prejudice.
    Redemption: What if I seek redemption in the name of Lamashtu or Gozreh by protecting the outcast or nature?

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  5. For the Shield you do have "less HP" on your Shield than pre-remaster, though you could have any piece of metal in your backpack round enough to be called a Shield (basically a few po for basic Steel Shields), and get them out when the first one break. Sure, you wouldn't get the +1 hardness, but any Shield you wield is sacred now so no need to have anything else than 3-4 Steel Shields in your backpack!

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  6. I'm glad to see you shouting out bad luck gamer. One thing I've really liked from his coverage of PC2 is to encourage people to like and comment any pathfinder content they see, to try to bring pathfinder content up the whole algorithm

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  7. Having done too many religious debates. I would be opposed to the use of agnostic for the neutral causes. Agnostic or a-gnostic is a word meaning not knowing or without knowledge. It is often misused in religious debates as well as it only says you don't know, but doesn't describe what you don't know.

    I believe that neutral causes are the best way to describe them.

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  8. I'm really excited to get to try out Grandeur champion. I have an idea for a former cultist of Urgathoa who was redeemed, and I feel like that's a good cause to still enjoy some of the more hedonistic teachings from her upbringing, even now that she's swapped sides

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  9. Don't have time right now to double check, but with the new focus spell I'm pretty sure attack refers to making an attack roll. This is reinforced by the language "even if it misses." Spells that cause saves don't miss. Thank you for your coverage!

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  10. I think that the change to the shield ally is actually a buff. Yes, it loses on raw numbers, but how it is now is that you can take any shield with a cool ability you like and play it until high levels. You are no longer stuck into the boring mathematically correct shield.

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  11. Annoyingly, my current campaign has a champion of Pharasma in it, and preremaster she could play as a neutral good Redeemer Champion. With the remaster, Pharasma no longer allows for her worshippers to be sanctified, and the redemption cause requires sanctification. I will be hand waving it probably so she can keep her cause, but it is kinda frustrating that there are still arbitrary subclass restrictions for champion.

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  12. Yeah, shield ally giving 1 hardness really seems to be pretty useless. When the enemy start making 20+ dmg everytime, it isnt a 1 reduction of dmg when using an action AND a reaction to raise shield and shield block that will change much. At this point, that little +5ft speed with fleet can make your tank running fast toward those small mages or archer that keep shooting his allies.

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  13. The new patfinder, should be called WOKEMASTER. And why 4 books instead of 3, im not buying, more of there books. I think 3rd edition of Pathfinder Will come in a couple of years.
    The remastered edition is not good😢

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  14. ADDITIONS/ERRATA:

    -A commenter points out that ANY shield becomes a "Sturdy Shield" while you wield it. So if you have a backup steel shield on your person, you basically have another pool of hit points at your disposal! Yes, it costs an action to take it out. But it also means you have the freedom to be more reckless with Shield Blocking because you can always take out a reserve.

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  15. So my homebrew game has an overarching theme of celestials vs fiends, but instead of them being forces of good/evil, it's more to do with law/chaos. My games are biweekly, and between every campaign session, one of my players likes to run one shots in the same world. The first one we did had me playing a champion, except the tenants of good and evil really threw off the whole character concept I was trying to go for. I wasn't happy with the restrictions at all, especially since the god that my character followed was effectively a chaotic neutral god of the hunt (also homebrew). I'm so happy that the new champion isn't necessarily bound by those restrictions anymore

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  16. Champion is definitely my favorite class and it definitely sucks not being able to get 2 of the 1st level devotion spells, shields of the spirit is exactly what I want to do when playing champion but I love lay on hands too.

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