Natlan speculation regarding the primal fire, the tribes, Vanessa, Narzissenkreuz, and more.
The music used from the Natlan Teaser Preview “Saurian Wanderings” is an extended version from @sumes Please check them out! https://youtu.be/vxiJ_7SMZ5s?si=wBG1vgJuDc3_HlGI
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:54 History
04:55 the Tribes
08:40 Mare Jivari
11:48 Theft of Fire
15:52 The Primal Fire
21:27 Final Thoughts
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Check out my other videos!
✨ Perinheri and the Crimson Moon of Khaenri’ah https://youtu.be/46YF14mVgDk?si=4epyzIBnNd8X4cjC
✨ Arlecchino https://youtu.be/Jh_8JMngExw?si=qbWWcvUIo7jSgZQs
✨ Time is (not) an illusion https://youtu.be/j_AuBoJXxcc?si=W_SVkMcWibY1N3TI
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Music
✨ HOYO-Mix: Lingering Thoughts, Sinking into Oblivion, Forsaken Child of Ancient Times, Tears of Days Past, Fortuna Variabilis, Dream Through the Looking Glass, Shadows of Enigma, Pathway to Hidden Isles
✨ “Se Pone Caliente” by the U.S. Commercial Product Safety Commission (public domain)
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ok so like I tried to upload CCs in advance but apparently I messed it up somewhere because the timing is slight off. how did I manage this?? I'm girlfailing to the maxx ig. I'll try to fix this asap
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Mavuika's collar / earrings are the same (or almost ?) symbol as on the Black Serpent guards' chestplates too, idk if it's just because sun = fire = pyro girl, or if there is a deeper meaning to it.
i was thinking If Natlan is a mini version of teyvat, having 6/7 tribes for each element and the way Simulanka talked about destiny and cycles. now, with a potential Archon clash after the war im very inclined to that
the original pyro archon is xbalanque
I love how everyone forgets how every archon has two names they're name and they're demon name murata is the regular name and mavuika is her demon god name mavuika was known as the myan god of primordial fire uh duh
Speaking of fire being rebirth.. I think this may be where we'll finally get a playable La Signora
I was CRAVING for one of your videos!!! I'm so happy!
Thank you for destupiding my brain
Chocobosaurus gotta be my favorite Pokemon
ok i have a few thoughts 😭
re: tyrant king — i don’t think it’s possible for natlan’s tyrant king to have reigned between two pyro archons, since we haven’t really seen a gap between archons in other nations — so the tyrant king was probably at some point prior to the archon war.
re: seventh tribe — that being said, i really like the idea that vennessa’s tribe/the seventh tribe left natlan after the death of a pyro archon (or some other important figure lol) — like maybe their region was destroyed or altered somehow. or maybe they just didn’t like the new pyro archon idk!!
re: mare jivari — perhaps the mare jivari has always existed, but it’s only existed in its current state (sea of ashes + containing a sea of fire) since some important event in the past. this ‘important event’ could be the event over 1000 years ago that drove vennessa’s tribe out of natlan + the ‘turbid black tide’ tenoch and the others fought against in the description of the talking stick (i think those two things are relating to the same event). maybe that ‘turbid black tide’ was forbidden knowledge or something akin to abyssal corruption (since the abyss order didn’t exist 1000 years ago ofc). i think it’s possible that before this event, the mare jivari (potentially called a different name) may have been home to people (aka vennessa’s tribe???) who used the same fire practices to manage vegetation as native americans. maybe their associated saurian was/took the shape of a phoenix + maybe mavuika is the only one left or something — i don’t really know i’m just rambling 😭
re: mavuika — yeah i don’t really think she’s the pyro archon. as i just mentioned, maybe she’s related to the saurians that were associated with vennessa’s tribe. other ideas: the phoenix in the mare jivari; the pyro dragon sovereign; … phoenix ofc bcos she turns into one in the ignition pv; dragon sovereign mostly bcos of the (ma)h(ui)ka myth + the ‘after completely stealing her fire, humans mastered control over it’ idea. (okay i just remembered that archons don’t wear visions (side eyes venti’s + zhongli’s fake visions lolol) so she could still totally be the pyro archon. maybe the pyro archon /is/ the mare jivari phoenix. honestly i might like that idea more.)
i think i had more to say buuuuuut i forget + i’m just rambling anyway 😭😭 thankuuuuu for the video hehe very yummy ideas nom nom nom <3
I assume this god-king is going to be the obligatory tries to defy fate and fails terribly guy. And doesn't fate-defying usually result in Abyss stuff. Also, we will finally find out if the many crack theories about Capitano are true!!
hear out my delulu crackthought: what if the Sea of Dandelions and the Mare Jivari are… the exact same thing? Like, all the Dandelions have just constantly burnt and turned to ashes for the past thousands of years forming the Mare Jivari?
Kinda feels like there's been 3 Pyro archons
thanks for also saying the healing hand/shaman's hand can be capitano's constellation because i thought so too from when i was researching the symbols!!! anyways, i'm very excited about natlan. i also think the primal fire will play a major role. i'm particularly interested in xbalanque because according to maya mythology, xbalanque and hunahpu are hero twins (ancestors to the maya ruling lineage) who became the moon and the sun, respectively. because xbalanque is said to be entombed with the primal fire, i assume the primal fire is sealed/dormant (perhaps within him, as a a vessel). with all the twin theme, i expect xbalanque to have close connections to the "sun" in natlan/teyvat. perhaps the pyro sovereign could play into that?! the twins' mother is called blood moon, by the way, which is interesting considering there's a whole crimson moon dynasty in genshin with inherent unique elemental mastery of fire and the ammount of eight-pointed stars in natlan!!! i definitely agree that the tribes seem to be element-based, but would that mean every natlan descendent would have red-hair? i need benny boy to be from natlan so bad, how to make it make sense? xD anyways RAGNVINDR LORE INCOMING. there's also the whole thing of the hexenzirkel and the 'undying fire' and how it references witches from the west aka natlan from 'the little witch and the undying fire' book. but i understood little from the book because it's mainly an andersdotter homage. anyways, awesome video as usual!!!! i always love your videos. you call it fanfiction, i call it a five course meal eheh
I think that if Vanessa and her tribe were proginallh the 7th tribe thered need to be some explanation of what happened to their Saurians – after all, the reason we assume there ought to be seven is that thered presumably be a Saurian type for each element bc why would there be a type that was missed out?
But that would mean that either theres a breed of Saurians without a tribe partnered to them, or something happened to wipe them out and Vanessa and her people left after that
If theyre the childeren of Murata, then presumably they'd be the pyro aligned tribe wirh pyro saurians, and sure enough it seems like the water ones are able to swim in laval just fine so theyd be the ones wed see i the volcanic areas if we needed to travel using them, but theres no sign of a pyro specific saurian
Its the country of the pyro archon and the Saurians are the big unique thing yet theres no signs of pyro saurians yet? Seems like its more likely that, if there ever was a 7th tribe, something happened to that entire breed of saurians
10:16 the delivery on the "comically-sized 15ft Subway sandwich" really got me! xD
Monstatd is so op. Massive walls 4 protecters one of the original archons. Favonius church that gives power to venti, the ruins of a certain gods temple.
I'm thinking, we're gonna mirror fontaine in a way, so no Archon is alive, the fire is literally the divinity and it's not reborn yet, just as a parallel we'll get a resurrection story after the sacrifice story. It's also very clear that it's less war, more competition, again a mirroring with fontaine, a serious event is made a spectacle for entertainment and to provide faith energy to be used by the divinity for a hidden purpose.
what is that outro song LMAO
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That's my theory too! Although I think they'll use Arlecchino's flame for "burning" irminsul since her flame erases memories
I'm more excited to see how they will connect Natlan to Snezhnaya considering Fatui will probably be ready to rebel against Celestia unless a plot twist happens. Love your theories, can't wait to see what you come up with next time!
There’s two pyro archons (I think) and two types of pyro slimes. One that’s free and the other that is trapped in a barrel. What if the original pyro archon is trapped (hence the strange flames in the teaser that mavuika was looking at) while mauvika is free🤔
My farout prediction is that Dragonspine will be the entrance of which we enter into Snezhnaya or Khaenriah after dealing with the real Durin as an interlude quest.
What if Mavuika is the phoenix of Mare Jivari? And maybe the archon quest is about her wanting to resurrect the pyro sovereign who for the moment is just the susy fire and GoatHIMtano is just like "Nuh huh that fire is mine now" yoink
The mondstadt connection is even stronger after the end of the summer event. We were all expecting this event (featuring a dragon) to have Natlan hints and lore, but we ended up with such a huge Mondstadt bomb? Theres also this recurring motif of 'resurrection' going on. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but i definitely feel we're due for a return to mond before the end of 5.X.
Extra side crack: for a long time I simply believed theories that the Varka expedition must in the abyss/khaenriah, just bc it had to be somewhere difficult and important. But the message Mika brought back changed my mind. Firstly bc mika could get back on his own, and now bc varka mentions hanging w Capitano. I now fully believe the expedition is to the mare jivari. I think theres good motivation for the knights to go there esp if varka has clocked into stanleys story, the whole "wind does not blow" there thing, and any other potential links to mond, whatever they may be