This time we explore the devasting wildlife disease that is the frenzy virus. How does it work, how did it evolve with its hosts the Magalas and how does it impact other monsters? Let’s try to find out!
A nicely made video on my and other people's favorite moster and on the virus. But for me the real question is.. Dose gore go into the unfortunate category of being a over hype anime monster? Or it's something that is somewhat believable? My memory on the fight on mh4u is really foggy. Either way. Still a great video made on gore and i really can't wait to see you cover more creatures from the main line series on your channel.
0:37 from what I know is that Gore uses the virus (more so the scales) to see it's surroundings, cuz it's blind at first until it becomes a Shagaru (it most likely uses the smell of its scales to sense its surroundings, hence why it spreads them everywhere. To smell see in a sense. With Gore's predecessors most likely evolving in a way to take a up a large area to spread there scent, hence why Gore and Shargaru have those arm wing cap things with its wing webbing dragging on the ground, to spread it's scent), but it also uses the virus to hunt (more so farm in a sense), infecting a monster to then go crazy and infect others with some infected eventually dying so Gore can then have an easy meal. It's horrifyingly genius in a sense on Gore Magla's part… Except when a monster in able to survive the virus of course. The genes of theses said survivor might have spread, since frenzied monsters are not technically a thing in sunbreak, making it harder for Gore in the process (or maybe it's just that the monsters around Kamura and the Kingdom just have a better immune system compared to the monster around the village of MH4, sorry I don't know the name of it/ I forgot it) idk just a thought
6:15 the whole apexs being disease reservoir things actually makes some sense, but I do think the fact that apexs are often described as monsters that have ' mastered' the frenzy, makes me think that maybe monster don't actually have the ability to feel pain in a frenzied state, the frenzy maybe even acting like a for of dopamine, testosterone, or what ever hormones that makes ya feel powerful increases drug. With Apexs perhaps being able to control its out put better as to not kill themselves. Similar to how ya get an affinity boost in sunbreak after you are able to do enough damage in time to also ' master' the effects frenzy has on humans. I believe theses monster and humans who survive the frenzy may have some gene that allows them to coup with the virus better then others would. Meaning that apexs might turn back to normal monsters after a while like how humans do, but maybe monster can't actually fully get rid of the frenzy entirely. Idk just some extra thoughts
12:28 from what I heard it can also be by something or some creature halting the molting process. Perhaps something ripping off scales that were not fully ready to molt yet
Jekyll aren: well these elder dragons are actually a problem for my homestead I fight these thing off with my mana rage infinty × 2.0 godbane master form.
Regarding Brachydios, I want to point out that saying "this is what Capcom is going to claim" is EXTREMELY bad faith, and an enormous uncalled-for insult to the creative people working on these games whom, I will remind you, are real people who don't deserve to be insulted over minor differences in design opinion. That type of utterly pointless antagonism has zero place in a discussion of fictional monster taxonomy, especially considering that Capcom has already proved themselves to be putting a lot of thought in to the real-world inspirations for the design of Brachydios in the explanation for why the Raging Brachydios phenomena is a big deal.
In the real world Pistol Shrimp and the male Platypus exist. Is Brachydios really all that far-fetched?
Not to be unnecessarily critical, but I've binged your series today and I noticed that you always find a reason to crap on the most popular monsters, while also finding a reason to explain why the less popular ones are your favorites. Monoblos is cooler than Diablos. Gore is an edgelord. Brachydios and Zinogre are dumb, etc etc. You're welcome to have your opinions, but there comes a point where I begin to question if you're just being a pointless contrarian, and if that's the case it makes the bad-faith insult to the MH design team even more unacceptable.
I think my minor problem is calling Gore an Elder, because in every game hes affected by traps and can be captured, while shagaru cannot, making Shaggy the Elder
Could it be possible that the scales of the maracas that produce frenzy are a strange hybrid of moth scales and the effluvium from the rotten vale? A type of hard bacteria that becomes active when she'd and thus is used as a defense mechanism, and possible as a hunting tactic as it weaken monster afflicted with the frenzy thus explaining why the maracas prefer higher elevations?
Hmm, I get the feeling that the Frenzy Virus while evolved with Gore and Shagaru, being Frenzied is a relatively period thing. Monsters after Monster Hunter 4 with the Frenzy Virus present no longer have the Frenzied state, suggesting monsters developing immunity to the virus.
Very interesting video! I never knew that symbiotic relationships with viruses were actually something that happens in our own world; I always assumed the Frenzy would have to be more like a weaponized prion disease to make any sense. As for why Shagaru goes up to high elevations like Heaven's Mount, I think there's another possible explanation: display. After all, why else would a predator transform into a giant golden beacon upon reaching maturity? A high-altitude platform would simply make it even more visible, either to attract a mate or warn off competitors from entering its territory.
One thing I don’t get is how he’s not classified as elder dragon I know people are going to say he can be captured but that doesn’t change the fact the he tacks down every category for being a elder dragon.he has 6 limbs,can cause severe danger to ecosystems and monsters with the virus and etc.He’s just a juvenile elder dragon he can’t be classified as a wyvern since no other category of wyvern fits him.The only thing that fits him is elder but if he’s not an elder dragon for some people what else is he since the game doesn’t even know.
Black Diabolos is also just a phase in diabolos' life cycle, we don't know how long they're actually in heat. And perhaps the virus prevents them from going into heat in the first place or even as an apex they die before they'd reach the next heat cycle again
What about when frenzy infects humans? All we know is from gameplay that Nullberries suppresses the sickness, it drastically lowers stats if you don’t perform well and if you fight the one who infected you enough, it greatly powers you up
It may be interesting to speculate on how traits of elder dragons might benefit them or might have adapted if they were normal animals, but it's important to remember that there are basically three kinds of elder dragon: Those that fulfill a key ecological role, using supernatural powers to keep ecosystems in balance and prevent their destruction; those that are selfish and "evil" like Fatalis and the new Gaismagorm, who likely actually fit in the first group but their purpose is to destroy humans; and Kirin, which is just kind of there. Monsters in both of the first two classes also have something in common, which is that in the role of living their lives they come into conflict with humans often, in no small part because for example monsters like Kushala and Amatsu bring storms that wreck buildings.
The Frenzy has different effects on different sizes of creatures, and the largest specimens (large monsters, especially apex predators) are the most vulnerable but also the most prone to becoming frenzy-apexes, allowing the species to survive but cutting back their population. In-game it is said that records last report the Magalas appearing a thousand years prior, suggesting a very long, unusual gestation method (about which I have a theory). Like you say about a "genetic reshuffle," the Frenzy's purpose (because it is a purpose, not a coincidence) is to allow prey animals to experience resurgences without decreasing biodiversity and to allow territories to shift.
My theory about how their reproduction works is that they have two means of producing a Gore Magala. It is clear from the existence of multiple Magalas (not only their appearance across multiple quests (probably not "canon") and reappearance in GU (maybe not canon) and Sunbreak (definitely canon, and Frenzy is now taken as a fact of life per Bahari's dialogue, meaning Magalas are relatively common now) but also the existence of Chaotic Gore Magala AFTER killing the story Shagaru and despite a cutscene showing that Shagaru molts and emerges fully-formed from the corpse of Gore Magala) that they are currently capable of breeding. However, they did not appear whatsoever and essentially did not exist for one thousand years- But did exist briefly one thousand years ago. My conclusion from all this is that if Gore is not "slain" it mutates into its "chaotic" form as its organs begin to outgrow its body, and dies before it becomes fertile. The remains of a Chaotic Gore might then regenerate or produce a single egg that hatches into a young Gore after one thousand years (probably regeneration in a remote place- Otherwise it would be terribly easy for the species to go extinct). Thus the "Heaven's Circumference Dragon" from one thousand years ago was not actually Shagaru, as the elder of Cathar believes, but Chaotic Gore (which could also produce a scale similar to The Article), and Shagaru exists as a kind of failsafe: If the world is dangerous enough to seriously threaten the survival of even a powerful monster like Gore Magala, it assumes a more deadly form capable of laying large clutches of fast-hatching eggs parthogenetically, producing more Gore Magala until the threat level reduces enough that subsequent Gores that are born go Chaotic and die out. Whether the first Gore in the outbreak one thousand years ago was slain or not, this would all explain why the species was dormant for one thousand years, why only one Gore appeared at first, why it suddenly transforms into Shagaru after being slain but an unslain specimen painfully mutates (in the classic sense of the word, not the genetic sense) into a Chaotic form, and so on.
Small correction for the start, Gore Magala isn't actually classified as an elder dragon.
Also, I believe it is stated somewhere at some point that Chaotic Gore Magala is the result of another Shagaru Magala interrupting a Gore Magala's molting, leaving it stuck like this, possibly to reduce competition in it's area.
I think apex monsters are a lot less complicated than you make them out to be. The frenzy virus is capable of symbiosis. Hence its whole existence on gore. It’s very possible that the apex monsters are just so strong and aggressive, that the virus sees more value in having them as a host than it does gore, so it forms a very prompt symbiosis with them. This of course isn’t perfect as the new monsters body still isn’t capable of surviving the virus and will eventually still die from it, but the attempted bond does extend their life significantly, allowing them to spread the virus more
It is also spread via the scales that get scattered in the mist when both Shagaru and Gore spread their wings and move about, it's why both have a large cloak of smoke like gas around them
Not to be THAT GUY, but remember that gore isn't technically an elder dragon (unclassified, then elusive elder dragon + you can trap it), only his adult form shagaru magala truly is.
Frenzy virus is not real virus, they are scales of gore used for reproductive purposes, it is said that baby gores are born out of "infected" monsters, i guess you can call it a virus in the sense that it's a genetic hijacking vehicle
Honestly I'd love to see you cover MHR Sunbreak's Qurios and bloodlight, considering both Gore and Shagaru are in that game without the Frenzy monsters, but instead the flagship Malzeno and their unique status the bloodlight that after beating the final boss, who's the true owner of the qurio, becomes a genuine problem as it starts to feed off of monsters without their true owner to control them.
It was also fun to learn that Malzeno had instead adapted to use the Qurios, as they were an assault by the final boss originally upon Malzeno in this huge turf war. Though I wonder if the key quest to kill off Shagaru aided in leaving these qurios without any competition when it came to sucking monsters dry of their blood
This may be a tad worded badly, and maybe a bit of a mess. But I'm just way too interested in what may be going behind the scenes, please do keep up the amazing videos though.
Just want to say that I absolutely LOVE this channel and this content. Thanks for making these videos. As a fan of Monster Hunter and Nature Documentaries, YOU are a godsend (or a GOGsend).
Thanks again for making these, and keep up the great work!
funfact, frenzy can infect hunters. the mc in 4g got infected multiple times and was seriously damaged by the phagon internally and retired after the story.
Everywhere you look (so far I haven't considered this in monsterhunter because it was using the teminology differently) is the sugestion, but never the outright statement that the food chain actually placed wiverns above dragons. I've also seen implication that the bigger the dragon, the smaller the wyvern that prays on it. The biggest dragons find themselves crawling with tiny wiverns acting like lice or ticks while the smallest dragons are eaten in large number by giant wyverns. Do you think this could be acurate in monster hunter as well? Would be a fun video if it was the case but I know you wouldn't. It's not what your videos are for.
Gore has a TON of potential, world building and mechanic wise that after MH4 has not been properly tapped into. With World's maps being large, lived in environments, I would have loved if gore had been integrated in a way that one being on a map could potentially create situations of other monsters becoming infected, becoming more aggressive to both the hunter and other monsters/wildlife and possibly eventually perishing and infecting other creatures if left alone long enough.
If MH6 is anywhere as detailed and focused on its living, breathing environments as World was, I'm hoping something like this could be incorporated.
This video is inaccurate because you called Gore an elder dragon when he's actually a "???" Smh
A nicely made video on my and other people's favorite moster and on the virus. But for me the real question is.. Dose gore go into the unfortunate category of being a over hype anime monster? Or it's something that is somewhat believable? My memory on the fight on mh4u is really foggy. Either way. Still a great video made on gore and i really can't wait to see you cover more creatures from the main line series on your channel.
The darkblight from monster hunter stories is the definition of the frenzy virus
0:37 from what I know is that Gore uses the virus (more so the scales) to see it's surroundings, cuz it's blind at first until it becomes a Shagaru (it most likely uses the smell of its scales to sense its surroundings, hence why it spreads them everywhere. To smell see in a sense. With Gore's predecessors most likely evolving in a way to take a up a large area to spread there scent, hence why Gore and Shargaru have those arm wing cap things with its wing webbing dragging on the ground, to spread it's scent), but it also uses the virus to hunt (more so farm in a sense), infecting a monster to then go crazy and infect others with some infected eventually dying so Gore can then have an easy meal. It's horrifyingly genius in a sense on Gore Magla's part… Except when a monster in able to survive the virus of course. The genes of theses said survivor might have spread, since frenzied monsters are not technically a thing in sunbreak, making it harder for Gore in the process (or maybe it's just that the monsters around Kamura and the Kingdom just have a better immune system compared to the monster around the village of MH4, sorry I don't know the name of it/ I forgot it) idk just a thought
6:15 the whole apexs being disease reservoir things actually makes some sense, but I do think the fact that apexs are often described as monsters that have ' mastered' the frenzy, makes me think that maybe monster don't actually have the ability to feel pain in a frenzied state, the frenzy maybe even acting like a for of dopamine, testosterone, or what ever hormones that makes ya feel powerful increases drug. With Apexs perhaps being able to control its out put better as to not kill themselves. Similar to how ya get an affinity boost in sunbreak after you are able to do enough damage in time to also ' master' the effects frenzy has on humans. I believe theses monster and humans who survive the frenzy may have some gene that allows them to coup with the virus better then others would. Meaning that apexs might turn back to normal monsters after a while like how humans do, but maybe monster can't actually fully get rid of the frenzy entirely. Idk just some extra thoughts
12:28 from what I heard it can also be by something or some creature halting the molting process. Perhaps something ripping off scales that were not fully ready to molt yet
I thought the virus was their way of reproduction as well
Jekyll aren: well these elder dragons are actually a problem for my homestead I fight these thing off with my mana rage infinty × 2.0 godbane master form.
Monster Hunter 4, predicting the COVID pandemic several years in advance.
Didn't it somewhere state in one of the games that Gore was essentially a fungus dragon? I could have sworn something in-game mentioned that.
Regarding Brachydios, I want to point out that saying "this is what Capcom is going to claim" is EXTREMELY bad faith, and an enormous uncalled-for insult to the creative people working on these games whom, I will remind you, are real people who don't deserve to be insulted over minor differences in design opinion. That type of utterly pointless antagonism has zero place in a discussion of fictional monster taxonomy, especially considering that Capcom has already proved themselves to be putting a lot of thought in to the real-world inspirations for the design of Brachydios in the explanation for why the Raging Brachydios phenomena is a big deal.
In the real world Pistol Shrimp and the male Platypus exist. Is Brachydios really all that far-fetched?
Not to be unnecessarily critical, but I've binged your series today and I noticed that you always find a reason to crap on the most popular monsters, while also finding a reason to explain why the less popular ones are your favorites. Monoblos is cooler than Diablos. Gore is an edgelord. Brachydios and Zinogre are dumb, etc etc. You're welcome to have your opinions, but there comes a point where I begin to question if you're just being a pointless contrarian, and if that's the case it makes the bad-faith insult to the MH design team even more unacceptable.
With the Qurio in Sunbreak being similar to the Frenzy Virus in many ways, do you think you'll be doing a video on the Qurio any time in the future?
I like the Qurio as a concept, though the game's story is very muddled on how they actually work and their relationship to Malzeno.
I’m fairly certain Gore isn’t an elder dragon until it molts, it’s weird it’s not one as Gore
I think my minor problem is calling Gore an Elder, because in every game hes affected by traps and can be captured, while shagaru cannot, making Shaggy the Elder
Could it be possible that the scales of the maracas that produce frenzy are a strange hybrid of moth scales and the effluvium from the rotten vale? A type of hard bacteria that becomes active when she'd and thus is used as a defense mechanism, and possible as a hunting tactic as it weaken monster afflicted with the frenzy thus explaining why the maracas prefer higher elevations?
Nergigante is not really evidence that elder dragons predate each other as a rule, it's that species' whole deal.
Hmm, I get the feeling that the Frenzy Virus while evolved with Gore and Shagaru, being Frenzied is a relatively period thing. Monsters after Monster Hunter 4 with the Frenzy Virus present no longer have the Frenzied state, suggesting monsters developing immunity to the virus.
I think the quira give an interesting take on how it can spread effectively through endemic life
Very interesting video! I never knew that symbiotic relationships with viruses were actually something that happens in our own world; I always assumed the Frenzy would have to be more like a weaponized prion disease to make any sense. As for why Shagaru goes up to high elevations like Heaven's Mount, I think there's another possible explanation: display. After all, why else would a predator transform into a giant golden beacon upon reaching maturity? A high-altitude platform would simply make it even more visible, either to attract a mate or warn off competitors from entering its territory.
One thing I don’t get is how he’s not classified as elder dragon I know people are going to say he can be captured but that doesn’t change the fact the he tacks down every category for being a elder dragon.he has 6 limbs,can cause severe danger to ecosystems and monsters with the virus and etc.He’s just a juvenile elder dragon he can’t be classified as a wyvern since no other category of wyvern fits him.The only thing that fits him is elder but if he’s not an elder dragon for some people what else is he since the game doesn’t even know.
damn they gave monster hunter monsters ligma??
Black Diabolos is also just a phase in diabolos' life cycle, we don't know how long they're actually in heat. And perhaps the virus prevents them from going into heat in the first place or even as an apex they die before they'd reach the next heat cycle again
What about when frenzy infects humans? All we know is from gameplay that Nullberries suppresses the sickness, it drastically lowers stats if you don’t perform well and if you fight the one who infected you enough, it greatly powers you up
You gotta love the monster that looks like Femto and makes monsters go berserk
I still do not get why the frenzy kills monster hosts or turns them apex, but hunters when they are infected it's nowhere near deadly.
It may be interesting to speculate on how traits of elder dragons might benefit them or might have adapted if they were normal animals, but it's important to remember that there are basically three kinds of elder dragon: Those that fulfill a key ecological role, using supernatural powers to keep ecosystems in balance and prevent their destruction; those that are selfish and "evil" like Fatalis and the new Gaismagorm, who likely actually fit in the first group but their purpose is to destroy humans; and Kirin, which is just kind of there. Monsters in both of the first two classes also have something in common, which is that in the role of living their lives they come into conflict with humans often, in no small part because for example monsters like Kushala and Amatsu bring storms that wreck buildings.
The Frenzy has different effects on different sizes of creatures, and the largest specimens (large monsters, especially apex predators) are the most vulnerable but also the most prone to becoming frenzy-apexes, allowing the species to survive but cutting back their population. In-game it is said that records last report the Magalas appearing a thousand years prior, suggesting a very long, unusual gestation method (about which I have a theory). Like you say about a "genetic reshuffle," the Frenzy's purpose (because it is a purpose, not a coincidence) is to allow prey animals to experience resurgences without decreasing biodiversity and to allow territories to shift.
My theory about how their reproduction works is that they have two means of producing a Gore Magala. It is clear from the existence of multiple Magalas (not only their appearance across multiple quests (probably not "canon") and reappearance in GU (maybe not canon) and Sunbreak (definitely canon, and Frenzy is now taken as a fact of life per Bahari's dialogue, meaning Magalas are relatively common now) but also the existence of Chaotic Gore Magala AFTER killing the story Shagaru and despite a cutscene showing that Shagaru molts and emerges fully-formed from the corpse of Gore Magala) that they are currently capable of breeding. However, they did not appear whatsoever and essentially did not exist for one thousand years- But did exist briefly one thousand years ago. My conclusion from all this is that if Gore is not "slain" it mutates into its "chaotic" form as its organs begin to outgrow its body, and dies before it becomes fertile. The remains of a Chaotic Gore might then regenerate or produce a single egg that hatches into a young Gore after one thousand years (probably regeneration in a remote place- Otherwise it would be terribly easy for the species to go extinct). Thus the "Heaven's Circumference Dragon" from one thousand years ago was not actually Shagaru, as the elder of Cathar believes, but Chaotic Gore (which could also produce a scale similar to The Article), and Shagaru exists as a kind of failsafe: If the world is dangerous enough to seriously threaten the survival of even a powerful monster like Gore Magala, it assumes a more deadly form capable of laying large clutches of fast-hatching eggs parthogenetically, producing more Gore Magala until the threat level reduces enough that subsequent Gores that are born go Chaotic and die out. Whether the first Gore in the outbreak one thousand years ago was slain or not, this would all explain why the species was dormant for one thousand years, why only one Gore appeared at first, why it suddenly transforms into Shagaru after being slain but an unslain specimen painfully mutates (in the classic sense of the word, not the genetic sense) into a Chaotic form, and so on.
Small correction for the start, Gore Magala isn't actually classified as an elder dragon.
Also, I believe it is stated somewhere at some point that Chaotic Gore Magala is the result of another Shagaru Magala interrupting a Gore Magala's molting, leaving it stuck like this, possibly to reduce competition in it's area.
I think apex monsters are a lot less complicated than you make them out to be. The frenzy virus is capable of symbiosis. Hence its whole existence on gore. It’s very possible that the apex monsters are just so strong and aggressive, that the virus sees more value in having them as a host than it does gore, so it forms a very prompt symbiosis with them. This of course isn’t perfect as the new monsters body still isn’t capable of surviving the virus and will eventually still die from it, but the attempted bond does extend their life significantly, allowing them to spread the virus more
It is also spread via the scales that get scattered in the mist when both Shagaru and Gore spread their wings and move about, it's why both have a large cloak of smoke like gas around them
Not to be THAT GUY, but remember that gore isn't technically an elder dragon (unclassified, then elusive elder dragon + you can trap it), only his adult form shagaru magala truly is.
Frenzy virus is not real virus, they are scales of gore used for reproductive purposes, it is said that baby gores are born out of "infected" monsters, i guess you can call it a virus in the sense that it's a genetic hijacking vehicle
I think a blood blight talk could be cool, because it's also very similar to rabies
Honestly I'd love to see you cover MHR Sunbreak's Qurios and bloodlight, considering both Gore and Shagaru are in that game without the Frenzy monsters, but instead the flagship Malzeno and their unique status the bloodlight that after beating the final boss, who's the true owner of the qurio, becomes a genuine problem as it starts to feed off of monsters without their true owner to control them.
It was also fun to learn that Malzeno had instead adapted to use the Qurios, as they were an assault by the final boss originally upon Malzeno in this huge turf war. Though I wonder if the key quest to kill off Shagaru aided in leaving these qurios without any competition when it came to sucking monsters dry of their blood
This may be a tad worded badly, and maybe a bit of a mess. But I'm just way too interested in what may be going behind the scenes, please do keep up the amazing videos though.
The friendly virus? Doesnt sound so bad
Its Pokerus
Just want to say that I absolutely LOVE this channel and this content. Thanks for making these videos. As a fan of Monster Hunter and Nature Documentaries, YOU are a godsend (or a GOGsend).
Thanks again for making these, and keep up the great work!
funfact, frenzy can infect hunters. the mc in 4g got infected multiple times and was seriously damaged by the phagon internally and retired after the story.
Bracy is carnivores tho
14:53 What about Arzuros?
Good vod, but something about the Rath talk ticks me off…
Everywhere you look (so far I haven't considered this in monsterhunter because it was using the teminology differently) is the sugestion, but never the outright statement that the food chain actually placed wiverns above dragons. I've also seen implication that the bigger the dragon, the smaller the wyvern that prays on it. The biggest dragons find themselves crawling with tiny wiverns acting like lice or ticks while the smallest dragons are eaten in large number by giant wyverns. Do you think this could be acurate in monster hunter as well? Would be a fun video if it was the case but I know you wouldn't. It's not what your videos are for.
Gore has a TON of potential, world building and mechanic wise that after MH4 has not been properly tapped into. With World's maps being large, lived in environments, I would have loved if gore had been integrated in a way that one being on a map could potentially create situations of other monsters becoming infected, becoming more aggressive to both the hunter and other monsters/wildlife and possibly eventually perishing and infecting other creatures if left alone long enough.
If MH6 is anywhere as detailed and focused on its living, breathing environments as World was, I'm hoping something like this could be incorporated.