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0:00 Intro/SNL Drama
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this is probably going to be my last DAHMER take on this channel. it will also be the last appearance of Punxsutawney Phil, who is a coward and a fraud
EDIT: Thank you to the commenters who pointed out a short scene that takes place in the show in which Dahmer does mock/boast about his crimes to inmates while in prison – I can't believe I missed it despite numerous rewatches before and during the making of this video, but appreciate the heads up.
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You had me at making the dahmer fans mad.
I heard a great take on how serial killers should be reported which is instead of giving them a name and making them famous, we should instead say "Man kills 5 women" or "Woman murders 4 people". This is more beneficial for the families of the victims because giving them a Super Hero name like Jack the Ripper or making them famous is what they want.
Showing up to bat for a Ryan Murphy production is confusing and ridiculous but even more so if it's THIS specific Ryan Murphy production. Kudos to you for being able to deal with this strange backlash with consideration and tact.
of course its the dahmer fans censoring british
It's honestly chilling that my current generation around my age are having unhealthy obsessions over serial killers, completely ignorant to these monsters who've killed innocents, including children and people of ethnicity for the sake of sickening lust. The people who defended Dahmer are obvious hybristophiles, and quite mentally disturbed; all they want is to admire psychos in an attempt of being edgy. And considering that these fetishistic simps are underage, appearing constantly, in addition to the increase of crime rates in America is horrifying. Really made me understand that this is one of the few subjects to 'Selection of Societal Sanity' when it comes to echo chambers as hinted in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, and never seems to be baffling.
As someone who was pretty familiar with Dahmer's story before the series, I think you really see the almost deliberate, though maybe not, framing of Dahmer as this tragic somewhat sympathetic protagonist (despite the marketing being about how it's going to be focusing on the people he victimized) through two things. The first is casting Evan Peters in the role, who while he does pull a good performance in my opinion and he's done plenty of other serial killer roles, he just comes across too boy-next-door in a way that the real Dahmer just wasn't, but that's already been talked about by other people, and I really think it's the second thing that show's the creators' framing.
The show only highlights the murders of about three or four of Dahmer's 17 known victims, which you can chalk up to not wanting the series to just be a continual unbroken string of grisly murders (sure), but even so, why only show the victims that they did? Outside the fact that they are the ones that almost always get highlighted in Dahmer true crime docs, the amount of focus given to his first two victims, Steven Hicks and Steven Tuomi, is kinda telling. Both were crimes of passion, according to Dahmer, one was impulsive, the other unintentional, and while neither shows Dahmer in a good light, they are the two where, if you were to dramatize them, Dahmer can look the least responsible. How? Firstly, Hicks' murder is the definition of a crime of passion; even though Dahmer clearly had fantasized about murder before this, he didn't go hunting for a victim or plan to kill Hicks' in advance or anything, and afterwards, there's a nine year gap before Dahmer kills again. Secondly, as told by Dahmer and shown by the series, Dahmer had the intention to and tried to drug Tuomi, but ended up killing him while Dahmer was blacked out. Both murders together can show a character who, despite his best intentions, is struggling and needs help (ignoring all the other crimes he very intentionally commits), but may be still redeemable, if looked through the show's framing.
So it was very revealing for me when almost immediately after, the show just plays a quick montage of the victims he killed at his grandma's house before moving to the Oxford Apartments. Even though the series sort of shows this, after Tuomi's murder, there was not a gradual escalation in Dahmer's killing; he started planning out his murders from that point on. Given that the marketing was heavy on social justice, I was expecting then that "if you're going to depict Dahmer's murders to supposedly give his victims back a voice, then you'd better commit to it." Dahmer killed three people at his grandma's house before his arrest for assaulting a 13-year-old boy and move to his own apartments, but you really don't get the scope of that the series just glosses over it. The series does it's best to depict the ordeal of Dahmer's hearing in the assault case, but it doesn't even seem to mention that he's already killed a 14-year-old boy and will kill another person in between his sentencing. The one thing I was hoping to get out of the series going in was to learn at least more about some of Dahmer's victims that almost never get talked about, and while I think the Tony Hughes episode was the most part a pretty touching tribute, the show really just decided to reenact the Dahmer moments that I've heard about and seen over and over again, and that took up most of the series's time. But I've rambled enough.
Probably the first time I've ever heard Harrisburg even mentioned outside state news lol. I know you'll never see this comment, but if you find yourself back in eastern PA you gotta visit the Green Dragon flea / farmers market outside Lancaster. It's a huge vintage and antique market and there's great finds
The intrusive thoughts-argument made me mad. I have intrusive thoughts and they are scary because they're things you know could theoretically happen that you DON'T want to happen- including things you could do to other or others could do to you. They are not desires but when you have self-loathing imposter syndrome your brain is trying to gaslight you in your weaker moments into believing they are. Kind of a huge difference between fricken premeditated murder/rape/necrophilia and an actual disturbed person's psychology and whether or not they feel guilt or doubt.
The people saying Dahmer had intrusive thoughts either:
) don't have intrusive thoughts or a condition that makes you obsess over them; these are just buzzwords they hear ppl use on tumblr.
or
) have intrusive thoughts but are way too into assigning all media they consume to meet their fandom needs, and that includes "kinning" characters and real people like they're your muse.
Dahmer was a real serial killer who murdered and abused REAL people (one of which was a child). No amount of him being awkward and gay makes it okay to treat him like a fictional murder blorbo.
I'm right your wrong. good vid champ.
I'm really unsettled by the inability to see a distinction between 'socially awkward, isolated, troubled person' and 'socially awkward sociopath'.
It also shows that the entitled to- types feel that no matter how small or large their perceived grievances are, up to and including mass murder is justifiable.
As an aside, I avoided the movie but have read the comic "My Friend Dahmer" which is basically what Jack described. Derf's view on him is as chilling and raw as you'd expect- filled with a lot of that highschool-age inappropriateness and bluntness from the characters while obviously never being about Dahmer's actual crime spree. The tone works because it captures all the unease and terror of realizing someone you "knew" in highschool did something absolutely horrible later, and wishing that you'd seen the signs or even thought it was 'funny'. Derf Backderf's opinion on the real Dahmer is still very damning and he has no interest entertaining the "Dahmer's actually a hero"-narrative. If you read notes in his annotated version he says at least twice that Jeffrey looses all sympathy points upon committing Steven Hick's murder, and how he wishes Dahmer would have killed himself before that ever happened. Harsh words, until you remember "oh yeah he's Jeffrey Dahmer" and you realize that's as sympathetic a person who knew him as a kid and hated him as an adult should have to finding out what he did.
"It's okay to be sympathetic, Dahmer went through ALOT." "
It says a lot about a person whose sympathies lie with a sadistic serial killer over the victims of said killer.
Part of me almost thinks the widespread "acceptance" of mental illness online has the capacity to be just as harmful as good. I mean first of all most people who think they're woke and standing up for the rights of people with mental illnesses are being deeply condescending and wrong because tiktok is a plague. But second I cannot fucking believe someone tried to equate your mom's real, palpable, motivated fear for her child's safety with you implying that intrusive thoughts aren't valid. To equate intrusive thoughts with the absolute laundry list of tasks a person has to do to pull off what this monster did. It's fucking abhorrent. For people to see a character portray the way Dahmer was misunderstood and had a hard life and to fall so hard into the sentiment that trauma is valid that they forgive a serial killer?
No. Y'know what? I don't fucking care what his childhood was like. I don't care what kind of bullshit led him to kill and eat people. He killed and ate people. That is the end of the discussion. This isn't a goddamn YA novel with a sexy murder boyfriend, it's real life. Your trauma doesn't give you a pass to abuse other people. That is not the way the real world works. Anyone willing to equate the absolute disturbing actions of this fucked up piece of shit with the traits of other, nonviolent mentally ill people are disgusting. They're not advocating for anything other than themselves, because all they want is to come up with reasons to not feel guilty about liking true crime this way. And they should feel bad. They should feel deep shame. it's fucked up and hurts people.
Great video. I'm really glad your response to that section was just "fuck off".
I got the same glasses as u bc when I saw them I thought they looked like something I'd see in the old Jurassic Park movie
And I used to love that movie as a kid
And then the other night my sister walked into my room, told me I looked like a brown Jeffery Dahmer and then left.
Then 5 mins later my mom said she's buying me different glasses bc I look like her father and that makes her mad.
I just thought I'd look like a character in Jurassic Park 🙁
I don't get people who try to glamorize a serial killer…..
Hmmm….. I think there are a lot of good reasonable takes in both the original video, as well as this one. I think one of the most compelling is the "fuck off"… could you maybe expand on that one please? 😉
"This video is an indictment of white woman" What the fuck does that mean?!🤣
Dahmer went through a lot… of bodies
The discussion wrt role models/being relatable is why it bothers me how many villains in superhero/crime stories are given heavy, detailed backstories centered around child abuse and many stigmatized mental disorders, while the heroes are seldom given that range or level of complexity, or at least not in a directly comparable way. I fear how younger people especially who struggle with that think when the only roles they see themselves in, end in them becoming a violent, "crazy" criminal mastermind.
How do you feel about the sort of recent documentary about Gypsy Rose? Vastly interesting story and I did enjoy the series, but I also looked up articles about how the real story was changed after I finished the show
As a mentally I’ll person with intrusive thoughts no I am not like dahmer
Fun fact: autocaptions thinks you're saying "Dharma."
I did read those My Friend Dahmer comics and the one thing I will say about them is that they make Dahmer completely and absolutely unappealing as a focus of the narrative. The art style lends itself to depicting him as thoroughly sterile and sometimes gross. He's a loser, not in a poor little meow meow way, but in a disgusting guy way. He drinks constantly through the day, he pretends to have a mental disability for funsies, he commits to the bit well beyond the point of it having been humourous. And that I did appreciate. That the comics sort of refuse to frame Dahmer as anything other than what he was: an awful desperate human being.
As someone with intrusive thoughts, those complaints were really reaching. It was clear in your original review that you were not talking about people with violent and unwanted intrusive thoughts.
I really hate the damher 2022. It was just a way to try to humanize a horrible man that should stay completely forgotten.
Ok, I do respect that person that liked your points but disliked the video because you were British
This is why I like the show “I Survived A Crime” because there’s no thirsting or sympathizing with the murderers and the survivors give their consent while spreading awareness on how to protect yourself
Honestly, my main issue with this video is how it's put together. Why are you filming your computer playing the video of her instead of just playing the video of her, which you did later, showing that you could have done it the whole time. Like I agree with your argument and it doesn't totally ruin it but it's a bizarre and distracting decision. :/
I'm offended that the first youtuber you showed criticizing you with his braindead take, was doing so with a 2814 pfp.
"- Especially this framing of me as someone who's going to be intolerant of anyone who has any kind of deviant thoughts-"
Don't worry Jack, we've seen the Beastars videos, we know what's truly in your heart <3
I try to be a humanist but humans keep on defending Jeffrey Dahmer, Hitler, and Elon Musk.
ive been to Harrisburg and live in ohio. i agree with your support of the city island
The other thing that is so upsetting is that they made up all the junk that was meant to humanize him. It was lies. These people are claiming it’s okay to sympathize with a fake version of a very real psychopath. They are getting a completely wrong picture of this man and that’s what is so very upsetting. If they knew the real dahmer they wouldn’t simp for him. They’d alienate him like everyone else did. I had a friend whose mom went to high school with him and he was not sympathetic at all. He was a freaking psycho that everyone knew was going to do something heinous and everyone stayed away from him. No one was sympathetic because he was aggressively off putting to people. Like he genuinely knew he was scary and bothered people and he went out of his way to do so from the beginning. It’s a lot harder to feel sorry for someone who gets off on terrorizing other people and then found out a way to do so without getting caught. These women who are all over him are confused between Dahmer and Even Peters. They can go $@&? themselves.
big joel???
This barely has to do with the video but hearing mother 3 music in the middle of this video made me clap in a giddy way.
I was around in the 1980s, the Dahmer frames were popular and fashionable. I wouldn't wear them, as a man living alone, I already get accusation of paedophilia, just because I'm a man living alone!
Oh my god it makes my blood boil when edgy creeps on the internet misuse words like intrusive thought. This is the plague of the spread of mental health awareness and specific language
You know… if the dominant class can make money out of tragedy, they will. And they have. So romanticizing murderers and criminals is a miserable culture of the money-making machine. Ethics don't affect market speculations
I need a "sort comments by controversial" button, man.
Serial killer stans are unhinged. Not healthy.
jack getting wawa pilled
I never watched Dahmer 2022, mostly because I already knew his story and didn’t care to hear about it again.
Plus, isn’t this movie one of those “true crime” vids that just glorify the murder? Lot of immature people get strangely defensive of those…
one of th thumbnail comments seems out of place
Most people plainly don't understand criticism the way you do it. To them, there's only praising something or shitting on it. When I'm with people from my extended group of friends, I never comment on any music, movies or series they say are good. Either you agree, or you're a snob and a hater. A couple of my friends are different and we can have actual conversations about movies, etc.