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What is amazing is that Starship is not just a replacement for a manned lunar lander like Apollo, it is more like the originally envisioned Direct Ascent version lander of the Air Force and Army's lunar base program of the 1950s. It will land 100 TONS of cargo on the moon.
I think it may take much longer than envisioned in "Elon time", but when it is finished, it will have capability that no other country or group of countries could hope to have. America will have the true capability to support a HUGE base on the moon and build it much faster than the Chinese-Russian partnership.
As long as SpaceX and NASA go the distance, we will be unmatched and dominant on the moon.
My queston is how many tanker flights will be required to get the Lunar Starship ready to leave LEO or MEO, land on the moon, and return to lunar orbit or MEO? Does HLS Starship need its tanks to be fully refueled to have enough fuel to land and return? I don't think they will. Also, upon reaching orbit, there is still residual fuel left in the Starship tanks, so that also reduces the amount of extra fuel required.
With Elon's recent presentation on Starship upgrades, it may take fewer tanker flights if each one carries more fuel. And I expect that SpaceX will build a fuel depot version of Starship or a docked complex of them that will get fueled up in advance of launching the HLS version. That way it isn't waiting in orbit for a bunch of tanker flights.
Another thing I am interested in is the landing gear. As we have seen, landing at the South Pole is very tricky, given the difficult terrain. i think the landing gear is going to have to be much wider than the renderings are showing, more along the lines of the Falcon 9 booster landing gear.
As for Starship leaving the surface of the moon and returning directly to Earth orbit, Werner Von Braun calculated that the old WW2 V-2 rocket had enough delta-V to get from the surface of the moon back to Earth. With the Aerobraking capabilities of Stainless Steel, it might even be better than that for Starship. We will see what NASA and SpaceX come up with. They can be very resourceful.
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The "current Starship design" can barely carry itself to low earth orbit with a zero payload mass. On test 3, the fuel tanks were exhausted, and it barely made it to orbit. Oh, but you may infer the "current lunar Starship design", which has not been built yet, the one which will probably capsize ont the moon if it ever reach its surface. OK.
A return to the moon in this decade is extremely unlikely. Space X progress has actually been glacial considering the size of the task and how much of it remains to be completed.
NASA – No taxpayer dollar left unwasted
The only thing landing on the moon is going to do for humanity is give us another place to terrorize the planet from. Humans are pointless monkeys and take every achievement as a chance to sling shit at each other.
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Im really looking forward to them landing on the moon, but I'm not holding my breath.
The Artemis missions are using a Near Rectilinear HALO orbit – specifically the 9:2 L2 Southern NRHO – NOT a DRO, or Distant Retrograde Orbit. That is the retirement orbit of Gateway after the Artemis program, and where the Orion capsule was tested. However, it is not where any of the human landing systems, Orion, or Gateway will reside during the program. Your animation was correctly showing an NRHO, but incorrectly labeling it as a DRO.
I think this is actually a very bad idea
Imagine SLS malfunctioning, or SpaceX
Blame flying around, splashing everyone
No bueno
SpaceX needs to use / deploy the same system that their Starlink booster do for their upcoming Lunar and Mars capsules…!
I know ..Added weight due to
" Landing Legs " , but there's No MegaZillia Catching Arms on the Moon or Mars…
Thats Alot of Fuel…!
Then " Why " isn't NASA & SpaceX Starship use the Earth's gravity to " Sling Shot " a capsule towards the Moon…!??
I wish this mission explanation included getting the two person crew back to Orion, and explain the fate of the HLS Ship. Does it return to earth orbit to be refueled and reused?
Can't wait for NASA to colonize the moon!
Was it fake
The problem with why it's taking so long for NASA to land on the moon is that they put their trust in SpaceX and the fact that electric Jesus Elon is a liar who has no problem promising things without thinking. According to Elon, the Starship spacecraft was supposed to land on Mars twice in 2022 and four times in 2024.
If NASA wanted to beat the former Soviet Union, they ONLY NEED ONE TRIP to the moon and fully reveal their success to the Whole World(there were various claims of fakes.) While their subsequent Moon landings are so MUTED that they are not even News Worthy. Coupled with their disappeared Moon Landing design documents leaves very serious questions as to NASA's Actual Moon Landing.
Now with NASA scaled back Moon Landing arrangements, it doesn't bode well for their Artemis Project.
I think its not going to go well on the landing. Perhaps never happen?
why don't we make a space station to refuel it
Hey Guys, isn't it obvious that landing a tall tubular spacecraft on an uneven surface is going to result in disaster. The entire vehicle is going to be prone to tipping over. The surface of the moon isn't flat and level. Unless a logical landing gear is created the spacecraft will not survive the landing. Think about it.
Do not trust NASA to be a partner with Elan
They have a long history of Lies and failures.
Hahahahaha. Right. Zero successful launches. Zero successful landings. No tanker variant. No lunar lander. No orbital fuel depot. 12 launches for 1 moon shot. Muxrat fanboys are morons
How are you going to build the landing pad? What machinery is SpaceX needing to move rocks, level the soil, and compacting it down? Right now, this top heavy vehicle might topple over landing on a boulder or a pad sinking in soft dirt (doubt those thrusters would keep it level once the fuel is exhausted)….and at the same time, the engines might get damaged by flying dust to large stones disabling it. No repair stations anywhere.
Sure I would love SpaceX to succeed but these YouTubers are missing A LOT of details and fail to think this through.
0:28 ludicrous speed? They are years behind schedule and there is serious doubt they will ever deliver.
At least once a stable touchdown, preferably more.. Imagine being the astronaut touching down and the rocket tips over and lands on its undock hatch.
NASA may, SpaceX never will as long as musk is running things.
It should say SpaceX lands on the moon NASA pays the bill.
It will be interresting to see this huge structure resting stable in the dust of the moon surface.
😂 SpaceX won't land anything on the moon, apart from vaporware. Love the background video of starship spinning out of control and burning up 😬
I really hope SpaceX launches thier first Moon Lander with 2x TeslaBots inside. They could test-drive the control systems in 1/6th gravity (to confirm the simulated control weights). Also, they would demo humanoids walking around inside the crew spaces. Lastly, how cool would it be to show TeslaBots suiting-up in space suits (to protect their electronicsfrom dust), and actually walking around on the moon!
As soon as you mentioned lunar landing skepticism you lost my respect
Need to stop this disease from spreading to other planets……look what it's done to this planet……should of been stopped 10k years ago….mother nature deserves a vaccine
They are going to hire some people and buy some metal the workers are going to draft some designs using neutermeters then off the plans build a ship that will travel to space the moon were they will get some clues as to were they want to land then with all the math find a proper landing technic wether it be (now here's the important part) multiple ways they could gain access to the moon 1 landing flat on slides problems, strips, structural, build a slide parachuting multiple separation landing rocket propelled landing dust issues , self guided tower rocket landing a big net to catch the ship crash landing balloon roll nose reverse thrust vectoring hope step jump 3 stage landing cable explosion lock finding a small caviate to grapple catch ( you don't sell what you say it's shit don't title a vid without the real explanation you fuck up your shit pisses me off)
So in the 1960s NASA sent a command module and luna lander to the moon and returned but didn't need 1500 tons of fuel we do today? What's going on here, is it a con job?
Common Sense Skeptic
Most likely the first lunar starship will "crash" land on the moon or touchdown and promptly tip over and crack open.
You're a clown if you think starship is going anywhere
Let us stop asking why we never went back to the Moon. The ONLY motivation strong enough to justify the huge funds necessary to explore deep space is if there are strong GEOPOLITICAL REASONS to do it. Period. Apollo was born out of obvious geopolitical reasons during the Cold War. "Exploration is in our DNA" is just there to make the pill easier to swallow for the general public, while bringing a patriotic tear or two.
So, they've made it 10 times more complicated than Apollo ever was. Got it.
If the landing fails, I'm going to have even more respect for the NASA engineers of the 60's and early 70's than I already have.
Never ever will man colonise the moon.. never ever.. ET lives their and theres no fkng chance in hell they will allow man kind to move in 😂😂😂😂. Just never going to happen
Dragon has manual controls and a manual override system. So will Starship. You need to get better information.
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