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The Only way an operation on pandora makes since is if they use either interstellar cyclers or an interstellar laser highway
I’ve a day to think on this, and here’s the thing. This used to be a nice little channel where you detailed fictional SF spacecraft as though they were real and it was fun to see that. Now, it has deteriorated into nothing less as a platform for you to sell stuff, and you ramble on about mundane topics, and, based on this current video, click-bait. Not what I signed up for. Time for me to say goodbye, and unsubscribe.
Best ship design along side the MCRN Donager Class when it comes to realism
Finally someone brings this up. You don't push thousand tons starship up to 70% of light-speed if you have an lack of power.
I say you most likely has more power than you can use on earth because you would overheat the planet.
Unintended consequences in sci-fi writing are really fun because they show what the authors don't really see as contributing to the story being told, and because it can be goofily fun to just 'realistically' go through what a setting would actually be like if realism were more involved.
That said it's 1000% because the writers did not understand that they were accidentally undermining their Space Dances With Wolves story
Whudd?! The actually define what this weird Superrarium material is for? How stupid o.o
So these ppl can FTLa nd – even more impressive – tupper storrage humans stabile for long transport time, and really go for such a technologically low bar materiaß o.O Okay, its nice to have, but … we actually have quite string progress in material/conductor science, using materials that naturally aren't conducting at all (like certain ceramics).
So they go for a material propperty that – if – would be needed in massive amounts, as it would be part of almost all levels of technology. How they dig so much out of the ground? How they bring it to orbit? How they deliver it a (insert very long range here) back home in a time that makes any economical sense? I mean … let's say the're totally fast and deliver it in a year or so. What company even today woudl spend a single buck on a economical enviroment as unpredictable as ONE YEAR? x.x
I even doubt building this spaceship would exceed the gain for that type of material. Leave alone all the other wild stuff, like the clone bodys, the concession to use actual military forces (that on teh way coud decide to go rogue and have a nice colony on teh planet for themselve).
They could just have leaved it as 'it's awesome, and it's rare'.
I am 100% behind the critique of capitalism angle.
Given the messaging of the Avatar movies that broadly speaking humans = bad It wouldn't surprise me if option 1 is true. Earth is only facing a n energy issue because RDA insists on flying fleets of energy hungry ships back and forth to Pandora for this material so they can build their trains rather than just working within existing material constraints to make slightly less good trains an not fuck over two planets in the process.
I'm calling this a plot hole
What i continue to ask my self is why didnt they strap some railguns or groundstrike missiles to them when they intended to take back pandora?
I mean they have total orbital superiority against these primitives i mean drop a rod from god onto these spirit trees and the planet is yours
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Wait they got FTL travel from a solar sail and plasma engines? How?
They have power issues that is why they use holograms for static cross walk stripes.
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in the sequel it really breaks the canon, when fusion drives are used in atmosphere…
I'd say the Doylist reason is the writers didn't plan out the entire economy.
So I’m theory anti matter could be made using and orbital structure powered by solar power. So could the laser grid. Thus eliminating your power issues for the ISV. The real issue is transmitting power on earth, or building enough stable accelerators to fuel the ships. What makes less sense is that after the first movie, the company didn’t just commit genocide from orbit. The atmosphere was already unbreathable to us. So using something like VX would make sense.
Is Unobtainium really such a funny name when we have named elements 'Livermorium', 'Chlorine'.. literally means greenish-yellow, 'Promethium' because it doesnt last very long, and around a dozen place names, a dozen mythological figures and two dozen physicists.
The RDA is greedy
The answer is in the first movie
“This is why we’re here, because this little grey rock sells for 20 million a Kilo”
Not because “this little grey rock is saving humanity”
Because it sells well.
That should answer our question.
Recent space studies show we can harvest antimatter from the magnetosphere of the various planets in our star system and the Sun’s corona. Obviously Jupiter’s magnetic fields has the most material only second to the Sun. Earth also has it but in much smaller amounts. So it is easier and far less power than particle accelerators to get antimatter.
More Avatar videos? LETS GO! Also the RDA is now throwing it all on the table so the heck with conserving resources they could use all they want. After all they aren't the RESOURCE DISTRIBUTION ADMINISTRATION without a reason afterall. I would always assume they would continuously build more ISVs.
Anti matter production would be solved if we had an extreme high temperature super conductor like unobtainium.
If you have enough anti matter production to maintain a fleet of ships traversing interstellar distances in a constant loop then you don't have a energy problems.
Salient point, personally I think it's unintentional. I n universe I'd actually like to believe that the people going there are doing so in service of hearth, home and family. And the company must be doing something back home otherwise no one would work for them. Plus anyone really wanting to make an honest buck will be providing a service, and making a dishonest buck. Is something that usually requires a fair amount of currency otherwise earned. I prefer to think of the future as hopeful. That there will come a time, without violent revolution, where things are better. And if they are not perfect, they'll at least be good enough. And I've heard engineers claim that, that's perfect in and of itself. Good enough to do the job and last until something better comes along, and hopefully robust enough to weather anything worse that come to visit in times to come.
Considering that James Cameron min/max’s his world building where some things are ridiculously detailed and other things are left in the dirt, they are simply broken lore.
Again this is from a man who phoned it in so hard he called his unobtanium device literally unobtanium.
If I'm remembering this right, according to the Pandorapedia small amounts of Unobtainium were found on Earth before they discovered it on Pandora. The first ISVs didn't use Unobtainium so they were much, much bigger as they had to use regular materials for the antimatter drive magnetic coils, heat sinks and radiators.
It does seem like a plot hole that there would be an energy crisis when they can make antimatter, plus the whale hunting makes no sense if they have the technology to clone and genetically manipulate Pandoran life to create avatars. They would be able to replicate the biochemistry that makes the brain juice.
The landing sequence in the second movie was cool though. As Larry Niven postulated in his books, any space drive capable of interstellar flight would be powerful enough to be used as a devastating weapon. Even the interplanetary Epstein drives in the Expanse were too dangerous to be used on planets or near stations.
It seems like energy production isn't the issue, energy utilization and distribution is. They could easily have a network of solar arrays around the sun beaming that energy to the antimatter producers, earth and the giant lazer
I think it was just a small failure in world building. It is not the only major plothole – and to be honest many sci fi-films have similar or worse.
My immersion cracked in the second one when the whole fleet of them showed up and proceeded to go down to the surface of the planet. Like what? those things can handle gravity.
And also the part of Earth dying so they need to colonize Pandora made no sense. Why would you colonize a planet where you and the plants you eat can't survive in the natural atmosphere.
In my head cannon, the Earth is fine, Pandora is just a fancy permanent resort for trillionaires that want to live forever.
And I'm sure they could engineer new hybrid bodies that would be adapted for Pandora, then copy paste memories over. Since that's cannon, but being able to fix Earth from whatever's going on isn't…
idk how I feel about there being 3 more in the works.
Oh Avatar, as in the really shitty pocahontas remake. I thought we finally got a new season of Avatar the last airbender that had space ships.
Avatar 2 turned into laughing stock whole concept of interstellar trade economics. The very idea that publicly traded company would invest in something that has highly dubious and risky profits HALF OF ACTIVE LIFETIME away is even more ridiculous.
Do you think you could do a video on the sea dragon. It was one of my favorite new vehicles from the way of water
My brother pointed this out, it's also quite possible that although they have anti-matter engines that could solve all their energy crisis problems, it's likely there are laws put in place by activists and incompetent politicians that prevent people from using said a-m engines to solve such problems. Possibly even the Company in Avatar could be behind some of such laws so they have reason to strip-mine an alien planet. It's like how today, so many energy problems could be solved with nuclear energy but their are activists and politicians who prevent it from being the easier solution.
They have energy problem as huge lasers and antimater factories consume most of it
yeah maybe its lore breaking but damn it its such a cool ship i dont care.
I think they broke believability in the new film when they deorbited the entire ISV and scorched the earth with the antimatter engines. This ship does not look designed for this purpose (ie no heat shield, not aerodynamic etc). This is what they had the shuttles for. It was a dumb move IMHO.
The laser could be pumped from the sun. If they have fusion engines, they probably have enough delta v to get a very beefy laser pump down super close to the sun.
Maybe the mega Corp that operates the ISVs is the reason why there’s an energy problem on earth
Maybe it's not actually a laser, and is instead just light reflected from the sun and focused until it becomes coherent. Often when people say "laser" they are talking about coherent light, and not the light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation.
Are the Sol system lasers ever stated as being stelasers?
I'd say it could still be an "energy problem" just the scale is way different, If the energy consumption of earth is magnitudes higher than the space craft are using it doesn't really conflict in a narrative.
a bit like your city is having an energy problem, so you can't run the light bulbs in the power station. This future earths scale of energy production might be absolutely massive
It also did not make sense to me. They use laser and laser sail to leave our solar system but use antimatter to slow down on arrival and later then return home. But why even bother with something that is even rarer than unobtanium when you can use lasers for whole round trip. If they can build lasers in our solar system then why not build them around Alpha Centauri too? It would be cheaper because lasers get you around rocket equasion and would allow unlimitited speeds, even 99% of light speed since they dont have to carry their fuel.
Occam's Razor says Cameron doesn't give a shit lol. As long as his special effects look (what he thinks is) good, nothing but box office matters.
I hear he's been a real prick on set his whole career too…
If James Cameron just accidentally included all that, he'd be nuts to not develop that in the future sequels if they get made.
The real monster is capitalism and the military-industrial complex which protects it.