Even after David repents and forgives him, God takes the life of his first son. How do we explain that in the framework of what is going on with God’s law? In our latest Q&A with Dr. Travis Dickinson, this question came up. Don’t miss his response to this topic!
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"The LORD gives and He takes away."
All life belongs to God. All mankind are stewards of that life. Life is eternal. Mankind was, then sin entered the world and denied us of God's eternal life. Jesus restored eternal life to all mankind as a free gift and the only thing that keeps us in corporeal life is lack of faith.
God punishes no one. We only know that when we forgive everyone and realize love has no punishment and God is only love. So don't fear God.
"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love."
“Grace comes to forgive and then forgive again.”
When we love God with all our heart, soul and mind there is no room for fear.
Awe Alisa thanks for what you said in the end about God ushering the babe to his arms. I can see the love and joy of the Holy Spirit radiating from your eyes! Hallelujah thank you for the ministry you have!
Death is not a punishment for people who are saved. But it can be a punishment for those who love the deceased. God was not punishing the child, He was punishing David. The child went to heaven, David had to stay behind and be constantly reminded of his sin.
Cool! I've been reading that book. It's a great book! Hidden Treasures in the book Job.
Like physical genetics from Adam, we also have spiritual genetics from Adam. No child who is born with a deformity has it due to the guilt of any historical ancestral crimes. Likewise, we each do not inherit the spiritual guilt of any ancestors who sinned.
Deut 24:16
John 9:1-3
Yet, we are privy to the story of David and the death of his child in God's Word because God let it be written in scriptures so of course that is something that God would want us to know and to fully comprehend like everything else on scriptures..
I believe God had said He liked the child
Why would death for that baby be a punishment? It wasn't in God's eyes. It was a reward. That baby never had to deal with the pain, deception, and death surrounding his/her conception. Or the pain that Bathsheba may have felt whenever she looked at him/her. God, in His omniscience, knew how to eternally bless the baby while also punishing David.
YHWH is evil.
@Alisa ,this question remind me about 2 recent questions from my 11 years old son
1.Why did God created covid 19 ,whereas he expected us to go to church
2.Why SDA go to church on Saturday,
Alisa, your response / comment was EXACTLY what I was thinking as he was speaking.
A sinless son bearing the punishment on behalf of a guilty sinner? Now where have I heard something like that before … ? 🤔
This video is entitled “Did God kill David’s son?” I think the simple answer is yes (if taken at face value). Tell the nonbeliever to suck it up buttercup. God is God & He does what He wills whenever He chooses.
Xtian Apologetic Wordplay.
It is not killing when god does it. We will call it his judgement.
It is not genocide when god does it. We will call it his judgement.
LOL
Could you do a video on 1 Samuel 15:2?
No arguing in the replies; I will delete this comment.
I’m in a time where I’ve been facing suffering after sudden suffering. Wondering why God would allow such things to happen to me. I was following God, then out of the blue disasters struck. It feels like he left me alone in this pit, and the only hope I had for myself was to knuckle down and be stronger in my own strength. Lo, and behold another disaster came and kicked me right back down. Through all of this I kept asking why God would allow such things to happen now, when previously they didn’t. I’ve read Job, and it has touched my heart. Like was said in the video I also was like “poor Guy” to Job. I can see I’ve adopted a posture of a skeptic many times whenever I come to God. My joy and love for him has diminished because of this skeptical attitude. I’m going to try praying and fasting. I just wish I could get back everything that was taken from me, that I worked so hard for! Please pray for me
God is not a man! It is infinate source of energy! Everything is energy! It is not a HE! This is your mind creating a false entity! In the bible the Old Testament is an ALLEGORY!!!!! So God kills nothing, it is a symbol or then this God hates which means has emotions and therefore you don’t kill so you are more righteous! David is a symbol of you, source ( God) destroys the things that harm you! His child is what he has birthed within himself, ideas you care for that grow! That is the killing. That is the way the bible is written! No actual baby or woman or man or anything is killed by the creator that IS LOVE! It’s all speaking about the energy, spirit, within us ALL! From genesis to revelation that means revealed! Wake up religious imprisoned minds bound by fear and guilt and shame, none of that is God, because it is an illusion! A lie from the adversary which is your carnal mind
You are literally deceived because you take it literal! Blind in your confusion of reality. Hell is seperation and you are creating your own hell in your ignorance! Sin is to miss the point and you are missing. My frustration is that you are teaching lies indoctrinating people who need truth! Literal garbage about spiritual things
For ALL of His Judgements are right. If God were to strike me dead I would still say All of His Judgements are right. I've seen God's mercy when there was no human reasoning with which to justify it. I've seen His judgement when there was no human reasoning with which to understand it. In all things… at ALL times… His Judgements are right.
The amount of hemming and hawing, challenging the category of the question, etc. to avoid answering the question is impressive. Of course, the answer he provides is it is a mystery. God's ways are not our ways.
Christians, if you think this is a good answer, remember that once you accept this principle, there is literally nothing your God can do that is wicked or wrong. If that is the case, then I could propose that there is an evil God who created everything and he allows some good and pleasure to exist so that more evil and suffering can exist.
You a diving into the pool of radical skepticism (you are skeptical that anything God does is wrong). If that is the case, how can you claim to believe in a rational, logical and evidentiary faith? Instead, it indicates you are members of a mystery religion, just like the many other religions you dismiss.
The text specifically says God caused the baby to be sick from birth and then die because he was angry with David. It wasn't a direct consequence of sin (e.g. dying from a drug overdose). It was God causing the baby to suffer and die in order to punish David. To hear Alisa deny that this is unjust or a punishment for the baby and then hear her go on and on about how progressive christians are bad is the thickest irony.
Why are you STILL preaching to men?
You know exactly what the Bible teaches. Repent.
God is not the causation of evil or sin.
I don’t think he did a good job of answering the question. He did a good job of talking all around it and providing some other stories but not too relevant IMHO. I wonder if David would have repented and have a heart for God? The fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding.
Another son of David, from the same woman, wrote something that applies here "A person’s own folly leads to their ruin, yet their heart rages against the LORD." = Proverbs 19:3
Utter nonsense.
Pure fiction.
Very nice polite word salad. Thanks
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The single problem with this argument is that, then abortion can be considered a blessing to a child… however stupid that de sounds.
Why isn't an unborn child considered life, worthy of protection? That question inserts a lie. A fetus isn't a child and any other claims otherwise is false. The question should be why isn't all conscious life worthy of protection? In America we see that the so called pro-life movement isn't really about life but exclusively about the fetus. From their overwhelming support of politicians who deny the science of climate change, politicians that allow unfettered access of guns to sociopaths that kill children in school, to politicians who demonize homosexuals and transgender people and finally those politicians that want to force raped women and children to give birth. I don't know why society doesn't value conscious life more…as we see from wars, famine, disease, educational disparity, wealth disparity, etc. But I do know that forcing women to give birth isn't going to change any of that and their bodily autonomy will always outweigh the life of a fetus. Bodily autonomy is our most intrinsic freedom. Pro-lifers are hypocritical when it comes to dead people donating organs. Donating organs would save so many conscious lives but people aren't forced to donate their organs upon death…why don't so called pro-lifers fight to force this? Why is it ok to kill brain dead people or allow them to die? Again if you don't want to have an abortion DON'T… but you also don't get to force others to give birth.
amennnn thanks for answering this 💯
Your last comment, Alisa….a "God-send". After reading "The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith"…I was deeply troubled. In Chap. 10 , paragraph 3. It stated that "Elect" infants, dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ. I was astounded! I asked myself, " What happens to "non-'elect' " infants? … Thank you. I don't see ( as yet) in scripture that ANY infants go anywhere else, but to Jesus.
Dude, what are you trying to say? No wonder people don’t see Christians and church as the answer and relevant for addressing their pains.
Her comments at the end were so much more convincing and thought provoking than the dude who just rambled on about nothing for 8 minutes.
Perhaps God allows negative consequences for forgiven sins because the only way we can be forgiven is by suffering in this life.
Whatever horrors may happen to you in this world is a grain of dust compared to the suffering you may face in the next.