As a result of recent events and subsequent aircraft inspections, it’s clear that Boeing has some systemic issues to work out – perhaps with the help and guidance of the Federal Aviation administration.
Within Boeing’s facilities, teams of engineers labor away, working not on building new aircraft but instead on fixing problems with already-built inventory. Boeing executives have begun referring to these activities with a common phrase – the ‘shadow factory.’
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Is the Shadow Factory closing down because things aren’t being screwed up anymore or is it because we are ignoring the mistakes? The latter seems more likely. Boeing needs to slow the F down and focus on building it right from the start. That Shadow factory should live on as a quality inspection operation until they sort out their production issues.
Wrong business success metrics. Its like milking and butchering cows without growing new ones. Share price is like the value of milk and meat you sell. Without the value of the production quality and people. These are the share value of ten years from now, so shareholders, the board and consequently management dont care, because it is no profit now.
Absolute banger!
Can't get over the quality and stabilisation, its just perfect!🤩
The FAA regulator, though now little more than a division of Boeing, was forced to do something about the door panel after the SEC regulator muscled in on their job and recently charged Boeing 200 million for issuing misleading statements between the two MCAS crashes.
Boeing is obstructing NTSB official as we speak, boeing board shot down a proposal form investor to move back HQ to Seattle, fanboys can't accept that Boeing is finish as a company 777 is the last commercial airplane they will ever build, is all about profits and what is not better piggy bank than government contracts.
One of the main reasons Boeing diverted manufacturing to suppliers or subsidiaries was to replace union labor with lower cost workers. Why does not the media report on the relationship between unions and quality control?
If true, this is unbelievable
The MD merger was a mistake
Boeing is the perfect example of how bad things can get when you leave it to the bean counters to control a company that relies on engineered products.
If it's a Boeing. I sure as hell won't be going.
The Dreamliner also had quality issues with tools and trash left behind from the production line. There was a threat to refuse aircraft from the SC plant not long ago.
its not a good thing having a shadow factory to mend things that the main factory shouldnt have done in first place. deliver the planes to the factory to mend mistakes or to do a second quality control before the planes are being delivered to their customers. it shows that they dont trust their own staff to do things right the first time. I think they should slow down the factory process a bit. slow and steady wins the race and it also prevents mistakes from happening in first place. Airbus have their own issue dont get me wrong, but they take their time to prevent incidents happening such as the ones happening to boing right now. yes they had the problems with the A350s but they managed to fix the problem quite quickly. except for Qatar airways but even that was fixed eventually. my point is.. they need to slow down and stop manufacturing their planes like they are in a toy factory on a conveyor belt.
Incompetent corrupt management.
I work in Engineering.
We've all seen it over and over.
Corporate greed and diversity hiring is getting people killed.
This is what happens when you have " bean counters " running a company that don't know the difference between. a hammer and a screw driver. Yes – yes – we need to make the quarterly report numbers to make the Wall St crowd happy ! Just sacrifice safety for profits and everything will be ok – until the next time !
The question is are those planes that have lose bolts, missing washers, and the door plug blow out from the shadow factory or if that are the planes that are considered good and not needed to go through the shadow factory. If they are from the shadow factory, then yes they should shut it down as it's not fixing the production mistakes anyways. If they are not, then they should double down on the shadow factory and make every plane go through a second pass in the shadow factory.
STAY OFF BOEING PLANES!!!!
Shadow factories are another way of saying that the 737 and 787 lines are broken.
Somehow i don't think it's gonna be a quick fix……..
Wow over 50 aircraft required rework because quality control is so bad. Just how bad are the worst that come in?
Made a few hours too early
Boeing quality control is a casualty of having to deal with overpaid, under-skilled union labor in the US, where labor unions have far too much political leverage. This is history repeating itself: The disaster that was Detroit in the 1970s.
And now a Whistleblower from Boeing giving evidence against them in a lawsuit turns up dead is that fishy or what.
There is never enough time to do it right, but there is always enough time to do it over. That's because unapologetic Calhoun is a Bean counter.
Boeing execs have cut labour and other costs (particularly by going to non union labour). You can bet they have also cut training budgets and programs. When will cowboy Calhoun realise it is the quality and knowledge of the people on the floor who form the real value of the company. Because it's not on a balance sheet, they don't know or understand. I advocate for a quadruple bottom lin. The fourth for production worker knowledge and retension. Calhoons come, take $100m and go. They only look to the next quater. If they looked long-term, Boeing would not be in the poop it's now in because it was desperate to reduce costs. Now the issue is that all the really good employees they had in Washington are working for someone else. Getting them and their knowledge back will cost them more, but would fix the issues.
A quality system to ISO9000 is not rocket science. If they can't get that right, I believe the ATSB should just shut Boeing down by removing it's certifications or sack the top 3 levels on management, including the board and supervios the recruitment of their replacements. Put some engineers in there and boot the bean counters. (Or get some people who did what I did, do a trade, do engineering, do accounting, economics and law, then do masters in project management and integrated logistical support and knows how to lead and bring the floor people along on a journey by letting the see and understand how important they really are. Do it once, do it right, do the computer records right, build a better aircraft everytime!
THe result of the investation is already obvious: Nominal extra government oversight, and a large cash bailout with taxpayers money to Boeing.
The objective in killing the ‘shadow factories" is just to build more airplanes faster to receive more money from customers.
But considering that they have made 0 changes to quality, what will happen is that they will produce even more incompetently manufactured planes, which no one will even bother to fix before sending to customers.
Sure path to further oblivion, what else…
Now 50 hurt where does it end these 737 at one time were the very best in the air now no the outsource some of these aircraft parts in Asia. This is once a great American aircraft builder now they are just trash when they moved out of Renton Washington to save money and not pay union. Workers was a big mistake and then outsourcing to Asia is another huge mistake. Help win World War II, now we’re building them in Asia that’s got to stop