United Airlines is one of the largest operators of the Boeing 757 series and, as such, has a responsibility to one day replace the type. However, a decision to do so has only been made harder as the company believes there is no true replacement for the type and their fleet looks “imperfect.” Today, I explore key fleet decisions that have been made throughout the years and how while the intention to replace some 757s is there, a variant still remains a grey area with a lack of new Boeing aircraft to truly replace the iconic workhorse.
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Boeing ended 757 sales by telling customers that the 737-900 would fill the gap. The bean counters are to blame….
Boeing's stopping 757 production without a replacement was as ill-timed as stopping 717 production 7 years before Delta retired DC9. (717 was a direct replacement for DC9). Delta would've bought 100 more.
Boeing has lost it’s way. Airbus is eating their lunch. All Boeing’s fault.
The 57 needed an update at the worst possible time. around 2001. Sales were 0, backlog declining, all major US airlines went through restructuring or chapter 11.
Tech was about 25 years old, being designed in the late 70ties, early 80ties.
It`s likely Boeing should have pushed the B757 forward as B737 replacement, but they would have been very early if they started in 03, and would have had an update available around 07, 08.
Also, the 57 was an orphan, you never like single plane families.
A321 replaces the B752 pretty well, and the -300 was just not relevant in numbers.
I work for AA who retired their 757 fleet a few years ago! I talked to some pilots who now fly the Airbus A321 they hate it in comparison! The 757 was a rocket they say the Airbus is a dog! No mide range power at all lol
My favorite feature of the 757 is when flying in first class, and boarding is done using the L2 door, first class isn't impeded by all the economy passengers boarding!
United will probably be placing an A321XLR order in the near future. Most likely the 2021 order for 70 321NEOs will be modified to make some or all of the orders the XLR, and an order for additional XLR's will be placed sometime in the next 2-3 years. The 737 MAX 9 can easily do the North American routes the 752 now does, whilst the XLR's can do the European routes from EWR and IAD the 752 now does.
Delta already has the XLR on order.
Unfortunately, Boeing missed the boat on the 757 replacement. The 737 MAX debacle killed the MoM project, and introducing a direct competitor to the 321XLR would be a fool's errand at this point. What Boeing should do is introduce a 797 as a 767 replacement to fill the gap between the 737 MAX 9 and 787-8. It should have 2 variants: the 797-8 should be between the 762 and 763 in size, with 7 abreast seating and a 5000-6000 NM range. The 797-9 should be between the 763 and 764 in size, again with a 5000-6000 NM range.
Boeing original plan when ending the 757, was the 787-3, which never ended up happening. Boeing lift the pricepoint to a widebody aircraft from something that could be done with a narrowbody. Due to lack of demand on the 787-3 it was scrapped, and the solution was to try to stretch the 737.
Just slap on new improved engines and a new interior
What happened first? Did Boeing end production of the 757, or did the carriers stop ordering the 757?
WOW, such insights. Where did you get you information from a flight attendant or maybe a Customer Service agent.
I bet when United retires them, some of them will become freighters. They are the 'muscle car' of the skies. They were designed in the 1970's for higher volumes of pax than the 737, ability to operate out of short runway airports (like LGA) or high/hot ones (like Denver in the summer), where 'widebodies' were too big to operate or would have too many seats, so had powerful engines.
Boeing definitely screwed up by not making a 757 replacement. My second flight ever was on a 757 and the takeoff performance was out of this world. At first i was very scared how powerful the takeoff was and seemed to climb all the way up to cruising altitude instead of climbing in steps as other airliners. Boeing should have made a 757 out of composite materials with larger wings with newer efficient engines and they would be eating Airbuses lunch right now.
as long as Boeings Headquarters in in Chicago, they will continue to decline.
0:12 Yeh underwear.
Airbus should be looking at a US transcon aircraft for UA, DL, AA, and offering a reduced range, 24 seat stretched version (two rows each fore and aft of the wing) based on the 321XLR.
DJ, you kept saying the A321 just doesn't match the capabilities of the 757, but could you be more specific? Or is this just another fluff piece of journalism?
This video is full of holes of understanding;
1 the best thing about 757s for United is that they’re fully amortized, making the airframe almost “free”. Notice that United did not buy any 757s American retired during Covid, suggesting that United doesn’t think the 757 as the perfect airplane his video implies.
2 The 321LXR can serve many more markets than Europe: Hawaii from the middle of Mainland USA, deeper South America, and Western Africa.
3. Although popular 10 years ago, even before Covid 757 operated fewer than 10 European routes due to a variety of factors.
4. Boeing delayed launching NMA because the market is simply insufficient. Given the same R+D cost to develop the NMA, or the 737 replacement (which had 10 times the market potential), any sane business would put NMA in the back burner.
5. The 40,000-lb thrust engine simply does not exist today.
6. Stop obsessing over the “perfect replacement”. There’s no need for that. United is a huge airline with hubs all over the country, and they use pricing to re-channel traffic. Today a passenger from St Louis might fly via Denver to help fill the 757 to Maui, Hawaii. When the 757 is gone, they can redirect that passenger to San Francisco to fill a 777 To Maui, diverting enough seats to other hubs to make the rest of the traffic fit an XLR. They also balance their Atlantic between Newark and Dulles hubs. For transcontinental USA, either 8 737s, or 6 737 and a wide body can replace 7 757 flights.
This video shows a fundamental misunderstanding: the 757 is not the perfect airplane. Rather, United has found perfect uses for the type. United retuned all their Pratt-powered 757s yet their network remains as robust as ever. Boeing stopped making 757s because even 20 years ago they couldn’t get orders.
The 757 can carry between 200 to 295 passengers. Its range is 3150 to 4100 nautical miles. The Airbus A321LR comes closest right now with 206 passengers and 4000 nautical miles. Because Boeing won't commit to the 797 which would be a close replacement for the 757 they may not get the opportunity to replace their own plane.
The 757 is still easily my favorite airliner.
Who enjoys being packed on a single-aisle plane for more than a couple of hours, nevermind going overseas on one? And airlines want to inflict more such aircraft on travelers? No! Boeing needs to develop a shorter 787 variant to replace the 757 and air travelers will forever thank them!
Airbus 322 neo
could A330R(330pax) replace 757-300(295pax)? looks interesting if price is low enough…
Boeing continues to disappoint. There is no sense in propping up a dying business out of nostalgia.
Boeing needs to at least make a 787-7 of sorts to replace the lower capacity 767's at the very least. They're losing money to Airbus with the A321 LR and XLR variants
I always liked flying on the 757.
757 is my favourite narrow body plane.
I hope the 757 ends up like the A-10 where they want to replace/retire it but never can do it…because I'm an airline pilot trying to get onto the 757 before it dies.
The 753 has poor range compared to the 752. Where’s the mention of ETOPS ? The 752 became a narrowbody transatlantic plane for a long time because of its rating
Airbus 321 XLR is the only thing close on the market. They should also start looking at retiring the 767.
Hasn't Boeing yet learned that the strategy to do every single f'ing thing on the cheap might not be the best path forward? Its heartbreaking watching a previously storied American company lurch from one short-sighted folly to the next…hope they have a serious 'come to Jesus' moment soon before Airbus completely cleans their clock.
as always with boeing switch to airbus…yahoo
The Bendy Bus was a great airplane to fly in
I've flown both 737 series and 757…. Boeing did make a goof gamble on 737. Now AirBus has a leg up!
The sooner everyone phases out Boeing, the better off everyone will be. Boeing is a horrible company with a horrible product.
Airbus A322 and A325.
Didn’t Boeing forecast this gap when they stopped the program?
Its the new dc3… The only thing that can replace it is another 757.
The main problem is that nobody makes an engine in that thrust class.
My understanding is the new A321s and 737s when fully loaded have pathetic climb performance at high density altitude compared to the 757. I believe Boeing missed an opportunity several years ago when they could have taken 787 technologies and applied them to a narrow body aircraft. Basically a composite 757 sized fuselage, 787 styled wing and similar cockpit. My guess is the engine manufacturers would have made a smaller version of the 787 engine for this aircraft as well. Boeing’s decision to wait until the 2030’s to first start designing something after the airlines are forced to buy A321s is just dumb.
All these comments remind me of when the 727 went away, sorry time moves on😅😅
Goes to show how reliable the 757 is when Delta and United with the possiblity of other airlines around the world that run the 757 are struggling to find a replacement. Boeing should be noticing this and kicking themselves.
How about the Airbus A200 series?
I wonder if Boeing could have made a smaller variant of the model and retired the 737 instead
Worked heavy maintenance on 757-200s, and -300s for over 25 years. Worked line maintenance on them also. A very fine airplane and my second favorite to work on next to the 767.
I never understood them not stretching the 757 more than they did. It sits higher off the ground on it's long legs, leaving more room for bigger engines, a problem built into the 737.
I'm not a fan of Airbuses, I find them to be a throw away airplane, which the airline I worked for did with some of the first ones we got after less than 15 years in the fleet.
At that same time we were operating 757s that were 20 plus years old, along with some DC-10s, and DC-9s that had been build in the early 70's, that were still flying and in great shape.