I think the first point he tried to make was wrapped in the idea of the ethnostate, that being that Jews have nowhere else they can historically lay claim to, but that also means that they need to say that while the area has been controlled by a Muslim empire, the provincial capital was Damascus, and real capital was Constantinople (similar under Crusader and Egyptian control). The extension of this is that the "Arabs" living in that area are actually "south Syrians" who are part of a greater state (Italics because a large dollop of Palestinians are simply Jews that converted to Islam, and not just invading/immigrating tribes). The "Useful charts" channel has a more than decent breakdown of owners and religions of the leaders.
This is a very messy picture and a tough sell to start because it relies on blood and religious continuity. He may have been better to start with the Arab regions that gained independence throwing all the Jews out of their cities and demanding that they settle in Israel/Judea, and where else were Jews going to go if they had no claims anywhere else and a blood claim to be united with the Jews in the Levant, who were only too happy once again become a dominant voting bloc.
30:50 you should be taken off youtube. The IDF is not "collectively" attacking those arabs. Hamas uses human shields. Hamas has fuel, water and medicine it is keeping for themselves and not for their people. When Hamas inflates the numbers of the dead, when they say taht 7000 children have been killed in a week or whatever they say, they are not telling you and the antisemitic media like you are saying that the VAST MAJORITY of these "children' are in their late teens and are fighting for Hamas.
There has never been a time that Jews didn't live in their original homeland. That they were sacked by other conquerors does not exonerate the conquerors. If u eliminate Jews rights because others populated the land then U can take the same stance towards Israel's modern rights now.
The Arabs with in Israel are second class citizens. They too lose their land to settlers and get treated like shit. And West Bank and Gaza are huge concentration camps under a brutal military occupation and the killing and land theft happen daily. All this is about land and nothing else. Ethnic cleansing of the land.
why can't you let the video even gather steam before you have to start cultivating a path for the first time view of the reviewed video, you are setting up the uninformed to follow your narration, from the start. Very Biased maneuvering.
During the Ottoman empire – you say there was tolerance of other religions in Palestine? So, during that time Jizyah/Jizya, a “head tax” or “poll tax” had to be paid by non-Muslim populations to their Muslim rulers. Also the non-Muslim's paid a higher tax on products they produced. So yeah… they were tolerated as long as they paid more taxes and if they refused to pay the extra taxes they were killed.
3:33 Ben said "Historically Jewish Territory" – then you stop the video and make a comment before he goes into detail of what he means by historically. Just by cutting in at that time, I see what you are trying to do. You watched this video before filming this and planned out where you would cut into the video to counter his argument with your own thinking. You planned your interruptions of his video, to counter/rebuke his argument. This is not a reaction video… it is your counter argument to his video. So, I suggest people go watch other videos that explain the history and the religions of this region and make their own minds up. You obviously have a bias against Ben Shapiro.
I think that this channel, many Muslim and Jewish clips are biased. If you want to know, listen to Historians, read books. Everything else is cheap propaganda. From the human perspective, anyone that can justify the slaughter of the October 7th doesn't seriously care about Palestinians and just another terrorist supporter.
A crash course on history of the PALESTINIAN STATE:
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state. 20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE. 🤔 (Borrowed from a friend)
A little more history for those wanting to 'restore Palestine'.
In 132 AD the Emperor Hadrian resolved to stamp the Jews and their religion out of existence. He sold all Jewish prisoners into slavery after the revolt of Bar Kikhba, forbade the teaching of the Torah, renamed the province Syria Palaestina, and changed Jerusalem’s name to Aelia Capitolina. He renamed Israel to wipe out the national identity of Israel and the Jews.
So if you are looking to 'restore Palestine to the Palestinians', you need to give it back to the Jews
I have a few things to say – 1) You are right about Jews "coming and going" during the time they were in the land of Isarel. They were expeled by the Babilonians. True. BUT – the time they were in that exile was 70 years. That's it. In that time the Biblical story of "Esther" took place in Persia . 2) Regarding your question about "can a people who had a distant historical connection to a land come and reclame it" – I think the point that Ben Shapiro was making (and he's right) is that a lot of people deny that Jews had ANY historical connection to the land. 3) Here's just a memory – I was a child during the first intifada. I remember rock throwing at the bus we were riding. I think the glass cracked. I remember a woman having an enxiety attack, while people around her tried to calm her down. 4) Yes, Gaza isnt too big. BUT, since Israel isn't targeting civilians, Israel goes out of it's way to tell civilians of Gaza to head to southern Gaza, to protect their lives. Hamas, sadly, are preventing them from doing so. Hamas are using their own people as human shields. Israel isn't "colectively punishing" the residence of Gaza. Israel is after Hamas terrorists, in order to protect israeli citicens (Jews, arabs. and cristions). 5) Regarding your final thoughts – Also Jews living in Israel didn't just "come from nowhere"… 6) If Mexico said in their countrys declaration that their goal is to kill every American, I think the US would take that very siriously and take even more extreme measures against them. 7) I think the video games in the backround of your room are fun, but unfortunatly I find it distracting at the same time. Oh well.
So It’s the British fault for promising the land to the Jewish for help against the Germans & Arabs for there help against the Ottomans and we will be dealing with this mess for centuries.
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So, were we lied to about Israel and Palestine? If so, who was lying? If not, what important information is Ben leaving out?
History teach first mistake
1)western media
MSM is NOT and hasn't been pro Israel for the last 30 years
Led by NY Times..
I think the first point he tried to make was wrapped in the idea of the ethnostate, that being that Jews have nowhere else they can historically lay claim to, but that also means that they need to say that while the area has been controlled by a Muslim empire, the provincial capital was Damascus, and real capital was Constantinople (similar under Crusader and Egyptian control). The extension of this is that the "Arabs" living in that area are actually "south Syrians" who are part of a greater state (Italics because a large dollop of Palestinians are simply Jews that converted to Islam, and not just invading/immigrating tribes). The "Useful charts" channel has a more than decent breakdown of owners and religions of the leaders.
This is a very messy picture and a tough sell to start because it relies on blood and religious continuity. He may have been better to start with the Arab regions that gained independence throwing all the Jews out of their cities and demanding that they settle in Israel/Judea, and where else were Jews going to go if they had no claims anywhere else and a blood claim to be united with the Jews in the Levant, who were only too happy once again become a dominant voting bloc.
30:50 you should be taken off youtube. The IDF is not "collectively" attacking those arabs. Hamas uses human shields. Hamas has fuel, water and medicine it is keeping for themselves and not for their people. When Hamas inflates the numbers of the dead, when they say taht 7000 children have been killed in a week or whatever they say, they are not telling you and the antisemitic media like you are saying that the VAST MAJORITY of these "children' are in their late teens and are fighting for Hamas.
There has never been a time that Jews didn't live in their original homeland.
That they were sacked by other conquerors does not exonerate the conquerors.
If u eliminate Jews rights because others populated the land then U can take the same stance towards Israel's modern rights now.
Arabs there are not indigenous to the land.
Please come to Israel and see what we are really doing in Gaza and don't just listen to what is being reported to you
The Arabs with in Israel are second class citizens. They too lose their land to settlers and get treated like shit. And West Bank and Gaza are huge concentration camps under a brutal military occupation and the killing and land theft happen daily. All this is about land and nothing else. Ethnic cleansing of the land.
Isreal is an apartheid state. Look up all the world organizations that classify it as such. This Ben guy has his Zionist brain in his behind.
27:42 I’m sorry to ask but when you say about Gaza blockade by Israel, how can it be so if Gaza share borders not only with Israel but with Egypt?
Hi Terry. After ww1 deal/jews/uk The Uk made treaty for land for Tuckey. And so basically the land is leased . The lease has run out now.
why can't you let the video even gather steam before you have to start cultivating a path for the first time view of the reviewed video, you are setting up the uninformed to follow your narration, from the start. Very Biased maneuvering.
During the Ottoman empire – you say there was tolerance of other religions in Palestine? So, during that time Jizyah/Jizya, a “head tax” or “poll tax” had to be paid by non-Muslim populations to their Muslim rulers. Also the non-Muslim's paid a higher tax on products they produced. So yeah… they were tolerated as long as they paid more taxes and if they refused to pay the extra taxes they were killed.
3:33 Ben said "Historically Jewish Territory" – then you stop the video and make a comment before he goes into detail of what he means by historically. Just by cutting in at that time, I see what you are trying to do. You watched this video before filming this and planned out where you would cut into the video to counter his argument with your own thinking. You planned your interruptions of his video, to counter/rebuke his argument. This is not a reaction video… it is your counter argument to his video. So, I suggest people go watch other videos that explain the history and the religions of this region and make their own minds up. You obviously have a bias against Ben Shapiro.
I think that this channel, many Muslim and Jewish clips are biased.
If you want to know, listen to Historians, read books. Everything else is cheap propaganda.
From the human perspective, anyone that can justify the slaughter of the October 7th doesn't seriously care about Palestinians and just another terrorist supporter.
A crash course on history of the PALESTINIAN STATE:
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE. 🤔
(Borrowed from a friend)
A little more history for those wanting to 'restore Palestine'.
In 132 AD the Emperor Hadrian resolved to stamp the Jews and their religion out of existence. He sold all Jewish prisoners into slavery after the revolt of Bar Kikhba, forbade the teaching of the Torah, renamed the province Syria Palaestina, and changed Jerusalem’s name to Aelia Capitolina. He renamed Israel to wipe out the national identity of Israel and the Jews.
So if you are looking to 'restore Palestine to the Palestinians', you need to give it back to the Jews
Voice of Israelh
More objectivity, please!
I have a few things to say – 1) You are right about Jews "coming and going" during the time they were in the land of Isarel. They were expeled by the Babilonians. True. BUT – the time they were in that exile was 70 years. That's it. In that time the Biblical story of "Esther" took place in Persia .
2) Regarding your question about "can a people who had a distant historical connection to a land come and reclame it" – I think the point that Ben Shapiro was making (and he's right) is that a lot of people deny that Jews had ANY historical connection to the land.
3) Here's just a memory – I was a child during the first intifada. I remember rock throwing at the bus we were riding. I think the glass cracked. I remember a woman having an enxiety attack, while people around her tried to calm her down.
4) Yes, Gaza isnt too big. BUT, since Israel isn't targeting civilians, Israel goes out of it's way to tell civilians of Gaza to head to southern Gaza, to protect their lives. Hamas, sadly, are preventing them from doing so. Hamas are using their own people as human shields. Israel isn't "colectively punishing" the residence of Gaza. Israel is after Hamas terrorists, in order to protect israeli citicens (Jews, arabs. and cristions).
5) Regarding your final thoughts – Also Jews living in Israel didn't just "come from nowhere"…
6) If Mexico said in their countrys declaration that their goal is to kill every American, I think the US would take that very siriously and take even more extreme measures against them.
7) I think the video games in the backround of your room are fun, but unfortunatly I find it distracting at the same time. Oh well.
Thank you for reading my coments!
So It’s the British fault for promising the land to the Jewish for help against the Germans & Arabs for there help against the Ottomans and we will be dealing with this mess for centuries.
So bias… Shame on you Gruppenführer Terry…