The TIE/D Defender is considered one of the most formidable starfighters to come out of Sienar Fleet System today we look at why it wasn’t the right fit for the Galactic Civil War.
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The Empire was run like WWII Germany. There was an unhealthy obsession with super weapons over functional traditional weapons such as fighters.
I know that the cost per fighter was a lot, but that is also because it was being produced in small quantities. If they mass produced the defender the same way they did the regular TIE Fighter, it would likely be much cheaper.
I think a special ship meant for a squad of tie defenders would have been lethal. Like a small ship that could rapidly deploy to areas of resistance and take them down. It would also work well for taking down pirates.
I've loved the TIE Defender since the first time I strapped into one for a combat mission back in '94.. Such a marvel of engineering, from our friends over at Sienar Fleet Systems! The only thing that can truly make it ineffective, is plot armor…
Honda Civic… More like the Mercedes Benz of TIEs since it's WAY better than almost everything else of its size.. even alot of Rebel variants fighters
Having Elsbeth develop the Defender in Tales of the Empire was a mistake since it conflicts with Rebels. They should've had Elsbeth working on something similar that would fill the same role as a development program like the US military does by having companies compete like with Boeing developing the X-32 and Lockheed Martin developing the X-35 to compete for the JSF Program leading to the creation of the F-35 today that we all know and love
I don't think huge production numbers of the Defender were necessary. But, having a squadron of your best pilots per Star Destroyer in Defenders could be a great way to keep costs minimal, but extending the capabilities and better protecting HVTs. For something as large as the Death Stars, having a wing of Defenders could have prevented both of the Rebel victories.
Well, if Mitth raw nuruodo endorsed it, it must have been for a reason
So it’s the F-35.
It sounds like these should have been used to compliment the TIE Fighter. Rather then have all 72 be Tie Fighters, why not have say 12 or so Tie Defenders in there as well. This would still be more expensive, but at the same time it would greatly bolster the strength of a star destroyer
Tie defender is easily top 3 fighters in star wars history, (if you are wondering the other two are the droid tri-fighter and the mandalorian besuleik however you spell it) problem is it was expensive and ran contrary to the tarkin doctrine.
The idea with palpatines empire was that no planet would rebel since they would shortly have a star destroyer overhead raining down hellfire on their planet.
In the first canon thrawn trilogy some imperial admirals were worried that the tie defender was so effective that the massive star destroyer focused fleets would be replaced with small carriers filled with tie defenders.
Now to be clear, the empires naval structure sucked, they really needed to add lancers to their standard fleet composition but putting that aside, despire the many design flaws in the ISD it was an incredible capital ship. The ISD specialized in taking out enemy capital ships and assaulting planets, both things it does magnificently. What it doesnt do well is deal with small groups that are mostly starfighter focused. So if you are trying to control a massive galaxy the star destroyer makes perfect sense, and it's shortcomming in starfighter defense and carrier capacity can be solved by putting one or two lancers with each star destroyer at the cost of getting rid of some old dreadnaughts or venators or whatever else you want to exhange for lancers.
Im getting off topic, bottome line of what i am trying to say is while yhe tie defender is god tier as a figuter, on the economic side you can only really mass produce one between it and the ISD. The ISD being the better option for mantaining the empire that is what they went with, then they poorly handled and deployed the ISD which made them vulnerable to snub fighter attacks, which is the entire reason the tie defender was created to prevent. Behold the circle of suffering.
That hanging chair's almost as gay as the Acolyte.
I loved playing these in X-wing. Especially the rebel tv show themed ones
They should have aimed for a fighter with 'some' of the functionality, toughness and firepower. An upgrade to the TIE, just not as much or expensive as the Defender.
The defender was like the BX instead of the B1 for the CIS. It was an excellent weapon, but not viable as the main one. If it had been in use sooner and was more widespread similar to the BX, it would have been able to make a big difference.
Tie Defender…. To Expensive for Palpatine!!!
It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. A wings, b wings, and u wing were relatively expensive compared to the y wings, x wings and republic era crafts that the rebellion first used. But they didn’t refuse to use them because it was too expensive or would take a lot of infrastructure or setup. They simply just used as much as they could. The defender could’ve been adopted in smaller numbers to fulfill a specific role. Hit and run type tactics, or even being stored on a smaller carrier that has extreme sensors and engines designed to police the galaxy better than a star destroyer.
The tie Defender is like the F-22 of Starfighters.
Just put a shield generator on the Tie Interceptor. Double the potency for half the cost.
Star Wars is pro jedi propaganda.
Ties in ROS had hyperdrives. As for the rebels fleeing with their hyperdrives. Good that the Empire has trackers that work through hyperspace. Thanks, JJ Abrahams and Ryan J. (remember that the Empire Navy does not know what "up" is and that shields "do not work in the atmosphere".
11:55. Palpetine was the legally, democratic elected leader. The Jedi were fanatical terrorists that ethnically cleansed all the sites. They even kidnapped Leia and Luke from their father. Leia and Luke should hate the Jedi for what they did to their family. It just shows how great brainwashing the Jedi did. I mean.. Aldreran never existed. It is just a psycho fantasy a "princess" claimed. Of course, the legally elected rulers of the Empire would never fund a space station for terror. That is what the rebels do. That's why they blew up Peace Station 1 in ANH. Thank the force that Palpeines daughter now has taken over the Alliance and can resurrect the Empire. Emperor Ray has a legal claim to the throne.
I have to say, describing the TIE Defender as affordable is mildly hilarious to me.
My understanding of the TIE Defender is that it was an attempt to merge TIE fighter doctrine with Alliance fighter doctrine. Something it did really well, but it never got past the prototyping phase because it was prohibitively expensive
The TIE Defender has probably been my favorite Star Wars fighter for entire time it has existed. It's a little sad that reeks of being an uptuned gimmick ship from a video game, never intended for player use, which it is, but I love it. There are a couple of other TIE variations that I'm fond of, like the Hunter my elite NPC squad flies for RPG use, but I only picked that because, even in verse, the Defender is just so silly, and it's nice to always know that, if I were running for unusually high-level players, I'd still have one option above it to grab. The only ships I like as much as the Defender are the Legacy Predator, and Twintail, and the TIE Silencer, which is one of the very few things I like from the sequel trilogy, and most of these seem to have Ben made specifically to be improved off of the Defender, using time since it would have been built.
I entirely agree that they are prohibitively overcosted, and that the Empire would never want to replace ALL of their Fighters, or upgrade every ship to stow them, but an advancing Empire should have been rolling out incrementally better Star Destroyers, and giving at least some of them, or maybe the Star Dreadnoughts, Defender compliments, for important sorties. Manpower was rarely the Empire's shortcoming; they had people, the military was a wonderful way to indoctrinate many of the best, and brightest, of the next generation; keep them surveiled, and dead men don't betray to the Rebels, so I can see using throngs of lesser ships, each mostly tethered to their command craft, but there should have been varied elements, and I still feel like the Defender could have played a role there.
Wasn't the Defender less about Rebels and more about taking on the Yuuzhan Vong?
Regarding how the TIE-D is incompatible with standard TIE docking racks: this wouldn't have been a problem if some idiot hadn't placed an S-foil top-dead-center. Rotate the cockpit 60° and suddenly the S-foils aren't in the way and the wing pylons are accessible. Also, given that most fighter pilots seem to approach from "above" their targets despite being able to move freely in 3 dimensions, the pilot's FOV would be less obstructed in the directions an enemy would most likely appoach from. You could even adjust the angle of the foils to line up with the pilot's line-of-sight, effectively making them a thin line instead of a panel.
A squadron of TIES should be called a Knot!
love for a lego version of this. i have both the fighter and interceptor.
they were looking for jedi, so that vader or palpatine could snap them up before the resistance did. that is why the pilot academy was so cutthroat. I saw a what if on reddit, apparently if luke joined the fighter academy, then he would be snapped up by vader.
The Tie Defender is awesome in the Tie Fighter games. Concord or the SR71 (also in terms of cost and running). But…but…it really pushes the limit of what a single pilot can do: radar, F/R shields, 2x energy weapons, missiles and (later) a tractor beam – and it is going really, really fast. I often considered why in universe – nod to the practical reasons in a DOS game on floppy disks – why it didn't have a 'weapons officer' similar to the ROI (Goose from TopGun) as the F16 'Tomcats' or Apache Helios have. Cost again?
First time I've heard ever of this type of fighter was in Star Wars Rogue Squadron for the N64 at the last campigan mission with Wedge and the World Devastators. The newly reformed Rogue Squadron was flying the newest V-wing type fighter. Those TIE Defenders roasted my squadron except when using guided torpedoes and rapid fire mode. They made me mad so many times!!!