With the surge in Hardcore players and the Hardcore PTR and Server coming soon, we wanted to do some Hardcore Episodes! Today to start it off, Xaryu is our guest. Kick your feet up, grab some popcorn and enjoy while we go over everything Hardcore related!
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0:00 Introductions
4:00? Who is Xaryu
10:00? The HC announcement. What it means for Classic WoW or Warcraft in general
11:00? Our hopes, expectations and worries for the HC Server
25:00 Hardcore Rules
26:00 Trading
36:00 Grouping
45:00 Dungeon Lockouts
53:00 Plans for HC Server
58:00? Progressive server?
1:04:00 Petri’s
1:07:00 WB’s
1:23:00 Tips
1:28:00 Best/Safest 3 Classes
1:34:00 Our personal Goals for the HC Server
1:37:00 Hardcore Classic Armory
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non warriors/rogues always argue against world buffs. kek lost to character creation screen
Great pod! You three are great!
I'm still peepoSleepo until SoM2, but I will definitely watch other people play HC haha
Hc sucks. Give fresh
Griefing is and has been a part of WoW since 2004. Griefers should not be banned. I do think that you could fix some mechanics to make griefing harder for players. But taking away griefing completely with streamers having a direct line to blizzard to curate a ban-list, is a questionable take.
Great episode! A few thoughts:
– HC is solo self-found. Xaryu said it best: people will absolutely grief themselves otherwise. People coming into this community complaining about lack of grouping/AH/trading/etc simply don't agree with all aspects of the game mode and that's okay, but we definitely should not make changes based on a vocal minority. It's like complaining about the way pieces move in chess. No, those are the rules, simply play a different game if you disagree. The HC mode rose to this level of popularity given the current ruleset which has been established for years. Just leave it be!
– Blizzard already said on camera they don't feel it's their place to implement rules, they prefer to let the community self-govern. So they either give us just basic permanent death, as already announced, or we get the less likely ruleset of full SSF. But I HIGHLY doubt they'll introduce any kind of 'middle ground' with a variety of changes like AH unlocking at level 40, some grouping here, no grouping there, etc. Then they risk annoying EVERYONE, because those rules aren't according to the original challenge and don't completely open up the game like some want.
mailbox easy like they said its red and has lvl 40 requirement. trading easy fix someone make a addon similar to spy and blizz make it so trading is only possible in the factions major city's that way the addon will be able to see if someone illegally traded and the addon that ppl will use will be able to see wether or not someone traded and at what level their first trade was
For solo self found grouping you could add a player search on meeting stones. only players channeling the stone can be found then you can invite them through this interface? just off the top of my head but seems like a really good way to bypass the grouping (also only if you have the solo self found buff can you be seen on this stone) this also means it can bypass layering since you can't see people on other layers.
A possible middle ground for dungeons could be a daily lockout. so you can only do each dungeon once a day this circumvents people dungeon farming/ boosting etc. means if you dont get that item you really wanted for example cruel barb. it gives you abit of a chance if you want to hold yourself back to do the dungeon again to try get it again.
Nice podcast. I played a lot of HC with the addon and I am hoping the new hc server won't have rules. I don't care if some people grief the fun themselves by meta leveling nor do I car about trading. You get a HC account that grows and sometimes you loose all your stuff. Its not different in a game like diablo where you can send item to mule to ''protect it''. At some point this gear going to go on a character and you may still die.
The only real concern for me are:
-Grief : there will always be a way to grief but you can remove thing like pvp flag to help… But there will ALWAYS have griefer (ex: we invite people to a group for a dungeon and we don't heal the tank intentionally).
-Bot : they will be there farming (less effective but still)
– Thing against HC spirit like petri flask/bubble hearth etc.
-My wife pissed about me playing WoW again.
Terrible L takes on all the rules, spoken like true gatekeepers. I am glad blizzard will just implement death = delete rule and only that.
Edit: if you are mad about "tHe InTeGrITy", NEWS ALERT: you can have a second account with a 60 following around anyways, there has never been any integrity to begin with.
1:08:10 It's easy for Xaryu to say this because he plays the game for a living 24/7, if your approach is "level 60s who take hundreds of hours to make should die on every raid" then you are gonna kill the hardcore raiding scene except for the sweatiest of nerds that have nothing else to do with their lives.
While I fully agree that the solo self-found ruleset increases the difficulty of the game, I think folks are overestimating how much having some AH greens, enchants, potions, and a buddy here and there impacts the experience. You can still pull extra mobs or get respawns in the back of a cave. Many people will still die again and again with no added ruleset. Let the players decide how they wish to play. If they grief their own experiences, oh well, because chances are they wouldn't even play Hardcore with the solo self-found rules in place. People care too much about how other people choose to experience something. Just do what you enjoy and move on.
Personally, I have a problem with no trading because of certain professions need things from other professions(ie enchanting needing BS rods). I don't see a good solution to this outside of allowing trading.
100% what krix said. The same people who are all about stacking wbuffs are the same people who complain that the contents piss easy.
Maybe after a roll back u could get a bubble of 30 sec that u can click off or just hearthstone
I like the idea of a HC economy with trade, but the opportunity to have a RMT and bot free server without trade is just too good to pass up, plus SSF is just fun too. I hope at the very least Blizz makes some servers without trade enabled until 60. I don't think it's too unreasonable of an ask to split HC realms into regular with only rule being permadeath, and SSF with trade disabled.
so tired of this 3 idiots
Long time watcher of this stream, let me just say I love your work guys, all 3 of you. However the comment about not looking up guides, coming from streamers who constantly ask their chat for answers about mobs/quests seems a little rich, just saying.
I like the content and will watch from the sidelines. This "hardcore" classic life is not for me but I wish those playing it luck. I have almost 0 faith in Blizzard pulling this off "right" but w/e (that should be expected). It should be fun to watch until ICC comes to WotLK. See ya in Icecrown.
Random group finder for hc only players and once you get a group for dungeon it greys out for ever
Awesome show guys!
“Died really high”. 😜