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Accented Cinema – Episode 103
By the way, this movie came out before Terminator 2.
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My first viewing is done with critical thought and analysis off, and disbelief suspended. Subsequent viewings tend towards effects obsessing 🙃
Thank you so much for making a video about this movie, this looks like something i would've rented in my local video store when i was a kid
Tbh good CGI beats good practical effects, but when CGI is bad, its BAD.
Sir I think there's a mistake at 6:35. Glass Onion Dir: Roland Emmerich?
Ghost in shell in Hongkong
CGI to filmmakers is like computers to graphic designers. Back in college professors told us to treat computers like a tool, that we should still rely mostly on hand crafting and use tech to merely better or deliver the final result.
Knowing how to mix digital and practical effects can also result in great results, like as "Mad max fury road"
My dad took us to see this when I was a kid. Thanks for doing this. At the time, Tsui Hark was very creative and he introduced a lot of new ideas into the so-called "mainstream" HK cinema. Robocop was there a year before but it was considered not for family viewing. We haven't watched it until the VHS rental came. "I love Maria" was a comedy for all ages. You may find the acting a bit cartoonish and the pacing was fast but that's understandable. Back then, we applaused at big explosions and cool hero moments. We laughed when the bad guys got their asses kicked. Practical effects made the audiences' waiting and rewarding process much more enjoyable simply because the filmmakers tried their best to design those impressive moments. CGI sequences do the same but we are all so fed up with that "the larger, the better" thing.
Its like a cross between RoboCop and Alita made by super Sentai!
This is kind of the principle people like Eiji Tsubaraya worked on; they didn't want to emulate the real world; they wanted people to enjoy the fantasy; that's why when Tsubaraya released Ultraman, he called it "a special effects fantasy series." We know they are people in rubber suits fighting in miniatures, but we don't care because the effort feels so genuine that you enjoy it
The question "do LPs sound better?" is kind of a trick question. A lot of the MP3s we downloaded from the 1990s (if you're old enough LOL) likely won't sound as good as a YouTube video of an LP playing. That's because a lot of those older MP3s were made with poor sound reproduction, possibly ripped off poor quality CDs using software that was considerably less sophisticated than something like Exact Audio Copy now. You won't catch it if you're playing it on a cheap MP3 player and cheap headphones, but place it in the computer compared to the same song in a lossless AIFF and you'll be able to tell which one is better
Also, there is an audiophile fandom for particularly the extra noise added when you play audio on older formats like LPs, because they add an organic quality to recordings
But the movies that have great CGI is on par with the movies that use practical effects. Example is Avatar 1 & 2.
My take is that we should have perfect mixture of CGI and Practical effects.
Do you think this could be the inspiration for Ghost in the Shell's Motoko?
My Very Early Child-Hood being exposed to Live Action Robot Sci-Fi action movies. 😍
I ❤️ I Love Maria 1988
I think the people that say practical effects are better say so because the CGI isn't very good in a lot of movies hence the illusion is broken. There is a tactile feel of practical effects that is very very hard to replicate with CG. But when done correctly, it can still evoke a sense of awe and wonder of how they did it. Inversely there are obviously a lot of CGI effects that could be done better as practical effects. The remake of the Thing in 2011 was a prime example.
I remembered seeing this movie and thought the effects were actually… kitschy.. I guess I am the majority of the audience that didn't really appreciate it.
I also pefer practcel to CGI but I'm not going to lie the CGI in Avitar Ttwo was boss
Had the movie on VHS in the 90s with Hungarian dub no less, which is my mother tongue.
The story is hazy, but I remember exactly the robot's chest opening to dodge the rocket and the guy with the "Einstein hair" reprogramming Maria to protect him.
I also vaguely remember I've seen an essay about the movie before and if I'm not wrong, it's based on a manga.
Thanks, you just made a program for me tonight, I'll have to watch it now.
If you are fan of old-school Practical sci-fi action, I would recommend checking out more classic tokusatsu, especially the work of directors like Keita Amemiya(Kamen Rider ZO, Mechanical Violator Hakaider). It's full of stuff like this and an absolute joy to watch! I will definitely have to check out these films as well.
Some great points made in this video about the immersion gained from how much more methodical practical effects have to be compared to computer, and the comment abt how VFX are too complicated to be fully appreciated by the audience is interesting to think abt.
Is that Sally fucking Yeh? o__o
I wonder how much input directors have on the CGI part are they closely involved or do they shop the work out to a studio with a general idea of what they want and then have something sent back that is good enough to get the job done
Well, how about a review about Japan Tokusatsu Movies besided Godzilla, if we talking about effect.
The female actress that played Maria is Sally Yeh, who was during the early 90s, the canto pop queen of HK. I was such a big big fan of her back then. So happy to see you discuss a movie about her 😊
if we were able to replicate the mona lisa so that the copies were indistinguishable in every way from the original, the original would immediately LOSE ALL VALUE. or at least the vast majority of it. "aura" would not save it.
in every example we can imagine, when something becomes plentiful and easily accessible, it loses value regardless of how essential it is for our lives. water is of critical importance to our daily lives. but it's essentially free in developed nations. who among us "values" water. that is one of the unfortunate paradoxes of life – if it's cheap or free, we won't value it. if it's rare and expensive, then we will.
the problem with cgi is that it's esoteric enough that it becomes the one word eponymous answer to every question "how did they do that?!" answer is always just "cgi". and that's not satisfying. it's not CLEVER. and we appreciate that which is clever.
even if it's not always or purely the case, cgi is perceived as just leaving a fleet of computers to endlessly render frames until it's done to make any effect happen. the human component is so technical that even if really clever techniques are being employed, most people won't be in a position to appreciate it. there's a reason einstein didn't go around saying "ta da!".
but notice that this wasn't universally true.
when jurassic park came out, people were asking "how did they do that?!" in earnest and at the time, to say cgi was both satisfying and elicited a desire to find out more.
alas, the basics of that process is essentially the same up to today so that level of interest has fallen off. now, the answer stops at cgi. the essence of it is the same as for jurassic park and and anything that deviates significantly from that is too technical to understand.
with analog fx, each kind of effect has a different technique – animatronic, stop motion, make-up, pyrotechnics, etc. so many different kinds of satisfying answers to "how did they do that?". but with cgi now… it's just "cgi".
The Balrog in LOTR is my favorite CGI effect to this day. LOTR trilogy in general imo is the best marriage of digital and practical effects we've seen.
This is why come and see is even more impressive when you think about it. The director used an actual machine gun to kill a real cow in one scene and also used a lot of real explosions through oit the film.
Love old stuff, the creating creative is at atmosphere
Both has perk.
Can you make story about jianshi film horror type and effect old technical.
I wish they use Tony Leung more, the main duo is terrible.
The thing with practical effects is that they literally ARE real. They're in the room. They exist. Yes, CGI can look more "realistic" but it's not "real." My brain still says "that's good CGI." (when I notice the CGI anyway).
Wait. Was Tsui Hark also took a part on it? Dude, you have to discuss about Tsui Hark. Wicked City you mentioned also came from Tsui Hark. He also the one who made Chinese Ghost Story. Btw, welcone back. Greeting from Indonesia. 🇮🇩
Ok, first of all, thanks for making me remember the title of this movie. I have been playing this movie in my brain for Months now, not knowing its title. The closest thing I got was '60M Dollar Man', but I was sure as hell the protagonist was female.
Second of all, it's a nice explanation video as always.
We're very good at seeing if something is real so obvious cgi totally takes me out of it. Practical effects are really there. Models are real, they're just small. Good cgi isn't noticeable as cgi. It looks like it's supposed to be there. Cgi is a film making tool and like all tools it should serve the believability, if not realism, of the movie. Superhero movies just look like video games to me.
@accentedcinema it seems Alita Battle Angel is based on this Film
I Love Maria vs the Invincible Iron Maria
BRUH COME ON WTF IS THAT I LOVE MARIA TITLE
i remember this review of the TMNT 2014 movie.
Saying that they liked the slow mo scenes in 2014 because it took the time to present and feature the CGI. which reminded me of why VFX is better, it becomes central to the story.
CGI can have the charm of VFX, if it was made a strong part of the movie. Which is why I love the Hobbit films cause I always saw them as animated. Yes they're inferior to LOTR of course.
I just thought of something, as to why Gundam SEED deserves to be loathed by the Gundam Community and its fans deserve to be mocked.
Among the Gundam shows, SEED had no weight to its mechas, it was animated by power point and heavily relied on repeating scenes.
SEED was pathetic, it had no soul to it. Don't get me started on the shit protagonist
The Godzilla series (pre 2014) is another example of how fun and meaningful practical effects can be. The entire charm of those movies is believing in the fantastical yet still also very tangible reality that the effects sequences of those movies present.
I watch this at the cinema with my big bro when i was six 🤣 oh my
Here's why CGI explosion looks terrible compare to practical. Lens and comp. In real life, explosion will be the brightest part of the frame because of how camera perceive lights, rendering everything else relatively dark. For movies like Marvel, they have a style of evening the brightness of the character in front of a explosion, resulting in a awe situation which will never happened. HOWEVER, if composition are done correctly(realism over style), you will not notice. Long story short, CGI explosion can be as real in terms of visual. While its defintely right about the actor imagining acting situation but I think its best to drop the idea of practical effect is better than CGI. You can never ask a stuntman to swing in New York. At the end of the day, it's what works and what kind of style it is needed for the film.
this movie use a lot of sfx from robocop… I love you maria is such a gem.
Poetic and visual discourse by Zhang Yang. I think this youtube composition is beautiful and full of emotion.
Me after watching the opening scene here: "What is this, and how can I make the rest of my life about it?"
Thanks for this homie. I’m gonna order the Blu ray from amazon.
01:07 WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!! Is that a Gundum Zaku!?! Nice. hahaha
Old practical effects become endearing as they get older. I love 80s effects films (the thing 1982, the blob 1988, the gate 1987) and the old effects are either stunningly good or charmingly bad.
For me, Godzilla Vs King Kong was an excellent and over the top monster mash cartoon brawl that happened to have some live action elements. Older films that showed mastery of practical effects are wonderful because, when they really nail it, they're some how much more believable than anything that is clearly cgi, even if it doesn't move correctly it draws me in much more than seeing an actor try to react to animated things that are not actually there before him.
Glass Onion by Roland Emmerich?! Really??