What is THE PRIMORDIAL RELIGION? The Supra-Confessional Faith of the Quran



We are continuing our deep dive into what the Quran REALLY says on the topic of religious exclusivism vs pluralism.

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28 thoughts on “What is THE PRIMORDIAL RELIGION? The Supra-Confessional Faith of the Quran”

  1. Bruh why not make it simple. Call shayk christian prince on YouTube at christianprince2 YouTube channel. Explain Al islaaame. Call him soon. His #1 shayk from mecca to Washington DC.

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  2. Over 2 billion people are confused and you are among them. That is the problem when you use outside sources to understand the Quran.

    How convinced are you that the Arabic word ( هَادُوا ) in verse 2:62 is "the Jews?"

    Not consider this verse:

    9:30 The Jews ( الْيَهُودُ ) say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded ˹from the truth˺?

    Do you think the ( هَادُوا ) and the ( الْيَهُودُ ) are the same?

    Are the guided the same as the Jews?

    The Children of Israel was given the guidance but are they the Jews?

    When Moses came down carrying the tablets, were there Jews present?

    20:94 Aaron pleaded, “O son of my mother! Do not seize me by my beard or ˹the hair of˺ my head. I really feared that you would say, ‘You have caused division among the Children of Israel, and did not observe my word.’”

    20:95 Moses then asked, “What did you think you were doing, O Sâmiri?”

    Do you think the Jews were present during that time with Moses?

    Please forget what you think you know and go study the Quran.

    salam.

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  3. Great video. I have a question though, and maybe this will come up in the future. About 3:78 – I noticed the word kitāb is being used, and if I remember correctly from your Ismaili reference, kitāb is not a literal "book", and therefore, wouldn't it be possible the verse is in regard to the message of the Scripture itself, as a kind of source, rather than a reference to a literal book present amongst the "people of the book"? Though I think in the context, what's being referred to, following the previous few verses, i clearly an example of some Jews being exclusivity in their practice of the Torah (as it was written), where it was not stipulated in the Torah to be so. I think this is a better evidence that it relates to something written, if kitāb is something other than a specific literal book. Or is it just any books claimed to come from God? Also, there are potential disagreements between the "scriptural avatars", in which case, I suppose the failure is in our ability understand the original implications via the corruption of "oral law"? I've been thinking about this a lot while revisiting the Torah which is full of laws, though there are reduced Torahs and even different versions. I've considered also that some of the Jews of Arabia may have had a specific Torah as their kin in the Horn of Africa apparently did. What do you think?

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  4. A problem in your claim:
    39:12 I have been commanded to be the first of the muslims / submitters

    In what sense would you say the term "awwal ul muslimeen" is used here?
    It seems to me it is neither the first, nor the second, for the most obvious meaning would simply be "the first of the Muslims".

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  5. This is one of the most important informative lectures by any English-spoken Muslim Scholar; Dr. Heshmi is a treasure and should be the face of Islam in this country.

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  6. You were questionably right in the beginning but then you took a turn by calling the prophets before as muslim and saying that this is not exclusive to Islam. A Muslim is not a follower of Muhammad ﷺ, like the Christians are followers of Christ or the Jews are followers of Judah. A Muslim is a follower of Islam. It is not the religion of Muhammad ﷺ, rather it is the religion of Abraham, as revealed to us in the Quran through the Prophet ﷺ. Islam begins from the time of Abraham. He was the first Muslim.

    So what does that make the Jews and Christians? Nations of Jacob and the followers of Jesus. They have their own set of laws that was revealed to them to follow. Every religion was not made for everyone. Judaism is for the Jews. Christianity is for the followers of Jesus. ?Only? Islam alone is for everyone by design.

    And so the Prophet ﷺ came to convey the religion of Abraham and Allah finished and perfected it with the Prophet ﷺ and completed his favor to mankind. Anyone who now chooses a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him.

    Din illahi are the many religions Allah revealed to the many nations. And they all had the same message. But it is not "Islam".

    Islam is the religion of the Prophets where salah, fasting, and pilgrimage are part of it. The Prophets since Abraham all made Pilgrimage to Mecca. And the Muslims today who follow Islam are also compelled to make pilgrimage to Mecca along with fasting, and salah, and zakat.

    I cannot say this enough, the Muslims of today are the direct practicing line of the Prophets. And they are closer to the Prophets than any other nation and religions that have come before them.

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  7. Please note: The word that should be utilized is "rite" and not "right". This makes a difference in the understanding. ALLAH has given each community a shir'a. What were they? The only ones I know of are; The Noahide Laws, The Ten Commandments, some how winnowed down by groups other than the community they were sent to, Originally 613, The Qu'ran. These are the ONLY ones given by the Creator. Therefore the communities authorized to compete in good deeds as people who submit. This of course is a opinion, and Allah knows best.

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  8. If you could only step out of the confines of the Islamic paradigm and take a look at actual history, based on archaeological and anthropological findings, you would very quickly realise that there is no single primordial religion; and whatever 'religion' there was in the primordial past was certainly not Abrahamic, or 'Muslim' or even monotheistic.

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  9. IN QURANIC SCRIPTURE OF KALAM ALLAH KITABULLAH AND SUNNATULLAH OF MILLAT IBRAHIM'S HANIFS RELIGION WORSHIP OF AL RAHMAN IN QURANIC VERSES AND FOLLOW HANIFIYYAH AS HANIFAN MUSLIMAN DEN AL FITRA WITHOUT HADITHS LITERATURE OF traditional Islam

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