This week, Matt Rogers joins the show to discuss what happened at The Calling Aukland against Hayden Dale. Flake and Matt deep dive into the details, talk about the facts, and the judge’s call.
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Matt made an honest mistake and FaB is a complicated game. Sometimes unnecessarily complicated in a high pressure event. What matters is Matt’s track record and its pristine.
People up in arms like they have never made a mistake before.. zzzzzz.. two great players in a high stress environment. It is was it is. They are going to move forward and continue to be great players. Everyone who is getting caught up in this should do the same and move forward.
I never believed any of this was more than honest mistakes by two very good players and mistakes happen. It's sad to see it happen so frequently in one match but it can happen. I just don't describe any malice to it and the people who are trying to say that all of it was intentional. Really need to calm the f*** down
Earnest mistakes from both Matt and Hayden, and they aren't hiding or shying away from these in-game mistakes, which can't be said of every play caught on camera with an infraction in a tcg tournament. I respect that
I did appreciate other than the fact that there are so many players in that game, the fact that it was moving pretty quick for an for a double ice match. It was moving along at a decent clip before the screw ups started
From experience … and from knowing matt a while, this truly could happen to anyone whos deep into swiss and pretty fatigued(cue oldhim lol). When you are moving pretty swiftly then, its a higher probability of making a mistake. Especially with a fatigue deck the games take a lot more out of you 20+ turns later per game. They did the right thing calling judges. Pretty much case closed. As for hayden, hes been close to worlds top 8… guys a clean player, from talking to many other pros who have played with and against him. It was just an ugly game and humans are humans. They both got ip2 which is pretty severe, and just. Thats all there is to it. Cheers and thanks for the long form clarity on the matter.
ya doesn't seem that big of deal. Judges are there for a reason. Let them deal with it.
ya doesn't seem that big of deal. Judges are there for a reason. Let them deal with it.
@Flake how do I send you a salty log
The people complaining on twitter were doing so from anonymous accounts.
Really good chat.
Thanks gents!
(As I learnt at the first U.K. Nationals, social media judgement just plain sucks!)
I hope folks remember this when similar instances occur in the future. People ARE human and make mistakes. I've seen players of TCG's been ostracized from communities for a lot less. Also, judge folks by their actions and remain subjective, that's always important. But next time something like this pops up in the FaB community, I hope there is good grace and benefit of the doubt are applied as liberally as it has been here.
I was more annoyed about the people calling them cheaters
The problem is that Matt has a tendency to rush/bully his opponent when they are going to time. This is the second time where the winner would determine Top 8. Each time the ref's decision has favored Matt. It's not that Matt is a cheater it's his behavior results in bad calls for important matches. Matt needs to work on his sportsmanship.
Watched the match real time and didn't think much of it at the time. Both players were playing incredibly fast in a matchup with complicated board states and interactions. There definitely wasn't enough information available from watching the stream to determine player intent. Cheating accusations are serious and throwing them around quickly without sufficient information is something we should be careful of as a community.
I think most ppl have put down their pitchforks
I can’t understand that logic … lmao I totally hear you Matt Rodgers… look into my eyes Hayden Dale and make a mistake !!! Hayden you know you want to make another game state infraction 😉 hahah I didn’t know about that this but sounds like there are some new FAB players that are coming from the magic side thinking they are perfect . How cute
Well said! Big Fan of Mat and Hayden, shit happens
mistakes happen nothing malicious, relax and move on.
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matthew 5:48 KJV) – Words worth contemplating on deeply.
People on the internet are quick to call everyone a cheater and act live they've never messed up before. About 5-6 years ago, a local player in my MtG community, who was also a judge, made a mistake at a tournament on camera in like round 6 of an event he had to fly to. Him being a judge ultimately made the situation worse, because people we're trying to say he cheated and he was a judge so he knew what he was doing, instead of thinking about it logically, like hey dude had to fly hours to an event out of town, probably didn't get much sleep, probably not good breakfast or food all day being at a convention center and its 7 hours into the tournament where you have to think a lot every turn. Mistakes happen, and people are quick to make judgements on those mistakes, even if they were an accident. I remember being at other shops in my area and when the subject got brought up, a lot of people were like "screw him! he's a cheater! He cheats on purpose!" when they don't even know the guy or even really think about the situation. They just follow the leader of the cancel culture era and try to cancel them. Turns out now he's gone on to design sets for the game. It sucks to see basically the same situation happen in this game too.
So it all comes out…. Matt got DQ from a magic thing.. what’s next? He stole a candy bar when he was 11? I can’t believe this guy!!!
Mistakes happen and I think you gotta give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. It sucks, because using this heuristic you are allowing those who desire to manipulate you, the ability to do so. But you also don't mistakenly label an innocent person as a cheater or the like. Protecting the innocent is more prudent than punishing the wicked. That said, some of the excuses given are a little wild. Tournament fatigue? During the 3rd round of the day? Come on guys… Getting no sympathy for fatiguing after 3 rounds of play (for the day, I understand the previous day was intense play but you had a night to recover)