On today’s episode, we’ll be diving into some philosophical thought experiments – the famous trolley problem, the self-driving car ethical dilemma, and Nozick’s “Experience Machine”. We’ll hit on some tough questions about sacrifice, the value of suffering, doing vs. allowing harm, and eternal bliss.
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2:52 – The self-driving car ethical dilemma
24:01 – Trolley Problem
46:06 – Nozick’s Experience Machine
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In the show Upload this was a major point. In this world, as the driver you have to set your car to either protect you or protect pedestrians/others. Not sure if this show was brought up by someone else but highly recommend the show to anyone intrigued with the effect of technology on morality.
The thing about self driving cars is if they were so expensive they would be great for people who can't drive due to medical issues
The first scenario is a perfect example of why we should never ONLY allow self driving cars. There should always be an option to manually drive the car. No matter how you program it, AI can never fully replace human judgment in my opinion. We're boiling down these complex situations to rights and wrongs and unfortunately that's just not realistic
I feel as tho being a parent has changed Josh's outlook on the simulation philosophical question. Couldn't stand to miss out on even 2 years of my kiddos life. 💚💚 love this episode.
I’m with Kendall I’m stressed lol
If we have self driving cars that start without a seatbelt that’s kinda nuts. They should only start when a seatbelt is plugged in
only 2 minutes in nd I'm super excited for this episode!!
All of these "railroad tracks" type thought experiments can be answered the same way in my opinion.
– If making a decision or acting to change the outcome will create equal or more harm to a human life than you simply do nothing.
– If acting will cause less harm to a human life than you act.
So in the case of the car programs, you always choose to kill the driver (assuming they're the only one at risk of injury) vs swerving to hit another car where there will be harm or death to at least 2 people (both drivers of the vehicles). The headline and company loyalty can still apply here because multiple vehicle accidents with multiple victims will always look worse than a single car accident. Plus hopefully a company that big already has a good legal and PR team in place for those scenarios. They can simply advertise that the vehicle will ALWAYS choose the route of least damage, and there would likely not be a lot of specific explanation beyond that.
Okay so what about the liability for the trucking/logging company and how they packed this truck?
Edit: Adressing the root of the problem, not mitigating the consequences/symptoms.
Another great episode… gave me a lot to think about as always. I’m hoping you will do an episode on Josh’s upbringing and background if it’s not too difficult or personal to put out there. I was raised Catholic and am now pagan so I identify so much with him, although my childhood was nowhere near as restrictive as he’s said before.
Have you watched the good place? It’s exactly this
Me sitting here in my bedroom high… 👀
If you go to the left you have a good chance of that car not having anyone in the passenger seat. Go to the right you are guaranteed someone will be hurt or die.
I really enjoyed this type of episode. It challenged my thought process and made me think in different perspectives. When Kendall was talking about living through the good and bad and how it shapes us, it made me think of when my mom passed away. My mom passed away in March of 2009 of COPD. She had waited til 5 in the morning when everyone except my step sister and I was awake. It was just her and I in the room when she took her last breath. It was the hardest moment, yet one of the most precious moments I had in my life. We shared my 1st breath together, and we shared her last breath, together.
When I do gummies, THIS will be the episode!
Josh: "Today you gotta take your mind really high"
Me: 👀 hits bowl
This reminds me of the old, in the basement episodes!! Love it!!!
25:19 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is this the trolley problem??
My higher self guides me, and my ego fuels me🌀
This reminded me of the hospital in New Orleans during hurricane Katrina, some doctors and nurses allegedly administered medication to end patients lives who could not be evacuated and they believed would be left there to suffer and die. I believe none of them ended up getting in trouble for this. They also had to decide which patients to save first depending on many factors. There’s a series about it on Apple TV but it’s been dramatized. Interesting ethical dilemma for sure!
I think the programmer would make the decision that looses the least amount of people and cause the least cost of damage.
I wouldn’t pull the level. That would make me responsible for the 1 persons death.
If its a self driving car it shouldnt work if your seat belt isnt buckled.
agreed no right answer. a game of Russian roulette.
This episode has just shown me exactly why I love Kendall ♡ Literally thought nearly everything she said just before she said it.
What if the child that ran in front of the car is yours and you also have your other child in the car?
majority of humanity is selfish this is why there is war. GOOD VS EVIL. perception, personal beliefs.
Josh is so real with his answers lmao 😂❤
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Regardless of what ever decision you make, you have to live with the consequences every day. So I think it comes down to, what could you live with? It's hard. I don't think I could live knowing my decision brought death regardless of what happened or what I decided. Taking survivors guilt into this is also an interesting take.
You hit the lever. The trolley turns and derails and the all the people on the trolley plus the one person dies.
This was my fav one by you guys!!!
Any of the trolly ones I always think “leave it as is it’s none of my business”
Anything that interrupts what was already going on I feel it’s a not my circus not my monkeys thing
Such an interesting episode!🤔😵💫
Not fair on the seatbelt statement Josh! ( 11:30 ) I had a wreck that would’ve been way worse if I had been wearing a seatbelt. So.. most humans would swerve to miss the child. This whole conversation makes me think self driving cars should not exist!
i love you guys 🥰
I am in fact that stoned person on their bed literally fookin STUMPED
Loved this and can't wait for more episodes in the future!
I am the person in my bedroom stoned out of my mind 😂😂
If there’s anything I learned from OG Charmed, it’s that you don’t mess with the Angel of Death. 💀
We want more of this