Episode 11! Lolo & Olay talk about pride month, cat updates, and a tiktok dancing cult?
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:04 Happy Pride + Bisexuality Identity
16:09 Cat Updates + Harassment
32:08 Tiktok Cult
53:30 the white guy who did black face and wrote a book about it
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I'm sorry about Maisie, Lolo. The worst part is saying those goodbyes and awww yeah when their other animal buddies search for them too. Also, Olay, hope you feel better soon and hope people shut up with the rudeness. It's fucked up you had to go through that after doing and trying so much to do the best for both animals safety.
Im not one to interrogate anybody’s queerness. But when I saw how crazy Lolo got over Challengers…I felt in my queer heart that he’s one of us FOR SURE.
Addition: Love the convo regarding Olay’s queerness. So nuanced and so important. But welcome Olay! We’ll cheer you on!! ❤
OK, so here's what I learned about "existing online" and I learned it the hard way too:
Despite the fact that in most cases one-on-one IRL you can reason with people, discuss things with them or make clarifications, and (bots aside) despite the fact that we operate on the assumption that the internet is full of basically real/reasonable people, something happens online where you just can't assume that anymore, and must not act like it anymore.
What a mass of 'rational' people become online is some kind of irrational, reactionary, pathologically bad-faith chaos machine, which can and will at any and all times, take everything you say in the worst possible way, always, never let anything go, demand you explain forever, demand your attention, your emotions, your soul in totality, not to be understood or appreciated, but consumed.
You could literally say "I like carrots" and without fail, like clockwork, you'll get "OMG other vegatables exist!" "anti-broccoli bigot!" "you should apologise for excluding potatoes!" "what do you have to say for yourself?!" "why do you hate onions?!" "OMG, I can't eat carrots, trigger warning! you just offended my whole family!" and then after trying to explain you'll get "now you're just faking it, pandering, FAKE APOLOGY!" "you'll never be accepted by my sweetpotato club!" and then, 10 years later, you'll be minding your own business and see "you're that anti-vegatable person! OMG!!!!" and its like… what now?!
The internet is a chaos machine, nothing is real, nothing makes sense, nothing is kind or rational and its not meant to be. Do what you wanna do, put out there what you want out there, but don't for a second, even think to try to reason with it. You can't. To engage at all, is to already lose.
i get olay totally. OMG rest in peace maisy
I hate people getting on the internet with doctorates from Trust Me Bro I Have No Profile Pic University talking mad shit to pet owners, especially when you can tell they never met a cat in their lives. Even worse when they come treating your pet more human than you.
lolo looks so cute in this episode
Flashbacks to the Jenna Marbles fish apology video. Fish people are wild.
There’s also a yellow deli near Cornell
They put the Yellow Deli in my home town next to a college so the students don’t know it’s a cult until it’s too late or they are locals. But it’s so normalized like it’s so popular.😭
probably asada is going through menopause after being spayed
I actually appreciate ole saying that because sometimes as bisexual people we don’t experience the same thing as our gay brother and sisters, unless we look visibly queer
Happy Pride! It was really nice to read Olay's substack and I think Lolo explained LGBTQ+ visibility well. That sucks to hear about Maisy, Lolo.
I'm looking forward to more Lolo & Olay! (Idk why this comment sounds like a bot, but Idk how else to word it, lol. 👍🏾)
We know our own 🎉
@53:22 Love for the dbz references. I know there's like a million topics more worthy of discussion but lowkey it would be super cool if there was an Olay & friends episode dedicated to dragon ball related discussions lmao
Damn, Lolo. I'm so sorry. I've had to put down 4 cats in the last 5 years (3 of them we got as kittens 15-20 years ago, and the last one I adopted when he was 16, because senior cats don't get adopted). After the last cat, I lowkey can't put myself through losing another pet. Imma need me a turtle that will outlive my ass.
Wait! Yogi tea is owned by a cult?! Oh no! I have learned something new today 😔
Deepest condolences to u Lolo. Big hugs.
RARE BISEXUAL REPRESENTATION!!
Thanks for bi-visibility Lolo! feel like its probably extra validating for men..ppl seem to be more rude & disrespectful about mens bisexuality..but really act like its their first day when it comes to how to speak to all of us/whats a normal human thing to ask/etc. lol
(Also omg just got to the cats bit..Lolo so sorry for ur loss man I'm glad you have so many good memories! remember to take good care of urself while ur grieving 💖🙏🏼!)
the "homopatriacido" concept talked about around 10:40 sounds a lot like "homonormativity," which i first read about in Lisa Duggan's Equality Inc (which i think is the origin of the term, not sure, but it's from 2004 so it's been around at least a bit). basically, like lolo said, it surrounds the push to include the most sanitised & "straight-passing" queers within heteronormative structure (especially those who are wealthy, cisgender, white, etc), as opposed to seeking the radical changes to those structures that would actually benefit even the straightest among us.
here's the full quote bc the concept really changed the way i think (from page 50):
“The new neoliberal sexual politics… might be termed the new homonormativity—it is a politics that does not contest dominant heteronormative assumptions and institutions, but upholds and sustains them, while promising the possibility of a demobilized gay constituency and a privatized, depoliticized gay culture anchored in domesticity and consumption.”
just wanted to share. love the podcast, love both your videos, & on behalf of all sociology majors I'm sorry we're like this
All of my partners have been women but my mannerisms make ignorant people think I'm gay. I call myself bi to make my life easier.
when my first dog died at 16 her big brother also had trouble coping with their absence, halloween decorations made him so confused. he eventually passed too at around the same age and yea grief in the modern world is never considered. im not saying we should sit in negativity, but never contemplating it and how to move forward even with pets is how you learn whats important in life /rant
The one takeaway from the doc – it's extremely difficult to prosecute sexual predators. One woman is not enough! 😳
That's sexual harassment LoLo.
Sexuality like everything in this society is a hypocritical spectacle. Sex is private unless you're doing it "wrong" and anything non-missionary vanilla is criticized. Even Asexauals who don't want sex. Let you be Black and everyone is projecting sex, desire, attraction and promiscuity onto you when I legit rather eat desserts and shake ass than sex.
Olay got her body out the closet but still got her foot inside. 🤣
But my Abolitionist girlie may be queer platonic. There's a difference between sex, desire and attraction. Speaking as an Asexual Queer Plantonic person myself.
the part when olay talked about how queer people's orientation is thought of as their entire identity was facts
I think those white ladies (with the cats) probably haven’t lived around black people before. I’m from a mostly white area (that was agonizingly quiet) and when I first moved into a predominantly black neighborhood I thought people were yelling at each other all the time 🤣. In reality, people were VERY social there. I had just not lived around boisterous people before and it took a minute to understand that volume does not equal aggression.
38:05 YESSSSSS finally someone is talking about this phenomenon
jaubrey fan ! nice
My cat of 16 years passed last week also, my condolences man.
cannot believe someone sent a FISH to LoLo’s PO box that’s unhinged
Thank god the facial hair is back. I could hardly stand nakey Lolo 😆 /jk
the biphobia is rampant, y'all. when i was in high school, the teacher who oversaw our gsa actually had the audacity to say WHY CAN'T YOU JUST CALL YOURSELF GAY to all the students joining who were self-identifying as bisexual. like bisexuality was homosexuality on training wheels or some shit.
when i came out in college, a friend was like, "oh you're in your experimental phase?" and i immediately retreated into the closet for the next two decades bc i didn't want to have to deal with litigating my own identity. exhausting. the hilarious thing is that i have gotten the most pushback and side-eye from other queer people the most. do better.
one of only two pizza places that will deliver to my house is ran by scientologists
WHAT!!! White women caring more about cats and dogs than a black person’s actual well-being.
I definitely commented to tell you guys about the yellow deli before you mentioned it 😂
I'm sorry for the loss of your kitty. I lost two pets last year and my pets are just getting over the loss and returning to their normal behaviors. Me, I still feel the loss so terribly. 💕
It's like Chick-fil-A!!!! Lololol
“Heteroflexible” is a term my husband uses for bi people who are “straight passing”/living a heteronormative lifestyle.
Why are w. women denying the reality of how traumatising that Assada's attacks are to you? Biting your jaw and shaking like a dog is way worse than regular playful cat bites and scratches!!! The lack of empathy and compassion for you is wild.
Im glad, you made the connection with how Black pet owners are overpoliced/over-scrutinised/etc. People are so ready to assume the worst of Black people all the time, it's exhausting.
loved the conversation about heteronormativity and some of the challenges that queer people who live pretty heteronormative lives
EDIT – I was so sad to hear about Maisy's passing on Twitter but hearing that Mookie is looking for her is SHATTERING MY HEART
The way I paused, and now I’m back after 3 hours just to unpause and here “so for people who havent watched this thing” 🤣 great job both of u
Reptile people.. which UV light bulb do you have in your bearded dragon tank?… lol 😂 ppl on the internet have too many opinions haha
We start the episode with talking about a person who doesn’t think Alex has fellated a man, and we end the episode with someone wanting to see Alex’s dick.
Is this the bi experience? /s
No lolo we have not all had that fish problem lol mine dont make a year
random topic for the future but I’d be interested in both of your perspectives on the young thug trial and the craziness of RICO charges being weaponized out in Georgia
An ex of mine told me about visiting a Yellow Deli location…and he was DEFINITELY researching (how to start his own cult.) Ijs…😂🤣😂🤣😂
Olay's experience with racists who happen to love animals is so spot on!
My roommate in college adopted a dog that was only aggressive to me, and for days we couldn't find out why. Come to find out the shelter knew this dog's former owner was an old black man who abused her, so the dog violently lashes out at anyone who isn't white. I'm online googling how to better socialize a racist dog and the first response EVERY TIME was, "the most important thing is to stop calling the dog racist…" like she was about to be cancelled or lose her job 😂
Then the shelter asked my roommate how long we'd been living together, to see if they wanted to GIVE ME SOME NOTICE and kick me out 😅 in order to find this dog a forever home.