There Is Something Odd About Melina…
After playing through Elden Ring multiple times, Melina still has me confused. From what I’ve gathered she should have a much bigger role in the story, but it doesn’t seem like she does? It’s really weird. She also seems to have a dark past but isn’t a villain anymore. Anyways here are a few things that make Melina so odd… I need answers badly fr Vaati where you at
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Well the lore says of ranni and her sibling that one does of body and one of soul….
I saw a theory that Mel and Ranni are the same person. At the least, I think they are sisters. Likely direct children of the goddess.
So I went in on this in my playthrough.
If you go the flame of frenzy route BEFORE going to the forge of the giants, you can save Melina, which would normally lead to the Lord of Frenzied Flame ending. However if you use Miquella's needle in front of Dragonlord Placidusax, you can reverse the corruption the frenzied flame has on you, allowing you to have any ending you want from the selection you've otherwise unlocked.
I did this, and chose the Ranni ending, thinking it would lead to a special cutscene with Melina and…
Nothing.
There was no other cutscene or anything else I found, it functioned pretty much as if Melina had sacrificed herself in the first place, despite me lighting the forge myself and then reversing the corruption.
Marika removed the rune of death and gave it to meliketh ranni stole it from meliketh so marika started the bullshit
I feel like the canonical ending is the frenzied lord ending and that if we get dlc it’ll be a continuation of Melinas story as a response to that
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Ranni caused the shattering for a good reason. The English translation of Rannis story is incorrect. Look up the video on YouTube about the correct translation
I wish marrying Melina AND Ranni was an option.
Omg thank you for making this! This has been on my mind for days now. I've been trying to figure out who Torrent's former master is because I didn't think it was Melina because I thought she was a spirit and Ranni says the bell belonged to Torrent's former master. But the it hit me, the only boss we see using spirits is Queen Rennala… but that fight only starts when Ranni starts talking and the second phase if that fight starts. Then there's the fact that when Ranni said that the spirit bell belonged to Torrent's former master, she was pretending to be Renna not Ranni, so is Torrent former master Ranni?
so after watching the frenzied flame ending again i saw that when she opened her eye se removed the seal that was holding the death rune if u look closely her eye has the same symbol like that fragment of the death rune that we get she literaly activated true death so the theory that she is part of the black knifes is solid
She’s clearly the daughter of Marika, following the rules of the name system. She’s also a “true empyrean” like Miquella and Malenia, but I think her purpose was NOT to burn down the erdtree, what I think her purpose is is to ensure that NOBODY gets into the erdtree, as Marika wanted to prevent the Greater Will from continuing its rule over the Lands Between. But, Melina mentions she wants to make her own purpose and unintentionally helps us continue the Golden Order (for most endings)
So can anyone tell me what happens when you inherit the frenzy flame ,use it to light the erdtree up yourself and then use miquella's needle, does melina forgive you? she can be saved from her sacrifice right? right?
We don't know that Ranni is referring to Melina. Torrent has surely had other masters.
Melina is the daughter of Radagon and Márika and Ranni is the daughter of Rennala and Radagon, they're half sisters that is why they're very look a like
Melina and Ranni look really similar, and Ranni straight up tells you her doll is based on the appearance of the witch who mentored her, so maybe Melina = Renna. That's why the fake name they came up with for Ranni to use in the church was Renna.
Pretty sure it’s because she offered me a car
Melina is Ranni in the same way that Radagon is Marika. Only Ranni, having fully broken away from the Greater Will’s control, is a free agent. I reference the visual similarities, Ranni’s ghostly other self, both being Marika’s offspring, their familiarity with Torrent, the Frenzied Flame ending… there’s probably more.
Both Melina and Ranni shepherd our Tarnished towards removing the influence of the Erdtree – whether that be by burning it and reforging the Elden Ring into something other than what it was (although I’m not sure this actually breaks the cycle), or by burning it and leaving the Ring broken, to fulfil Ranni’s Destiny.
Interesting side note – the mistranslations show that Ranni isn’t the evil bitch some people think she is, which is lovely as I had always thought that as rude as she may seem she’s the only one out and out opposing the Greater Will for the greater good instead of solely selfish gains.
She wants to free her mother from the clutches of an eldritch abomination who’s influence stretches hundreds of other worlds, while severing it’s connection with hers.
Whatever Marika saw (as said in Gideon’s armour), Ranni must have seen it too and had the means to stop it.
The game seems to be a meta-narrative about internal conflict and what that does to people. Ranni and your Tarnished are really the only two characters to fully take hold of their shit, so to speak, and forge ahead for what they believe to be the best for themselves and those around them.
Long live Ranni. <3
When she dissapear she literary turns into star dust…
I could listen to her talk all day
Does Melina still appear for the frenzied flame ending if she performs the cardinal sin or do the three fingers become inaccessible after Leyndell's conversion?
It's crazy how melina burn the tree so you can be elden lord but upon her death melina drops a golden seed and it turn into a mini tree…hopefully it will be explained in a dlc or update.
They are same person like radagon and marika
Melina I believe is either Marika, or a spawn of Marika, who set out to find the Tarnished guided by Grace to aid them in restoring the world. When Ranni stole the Rune of Death using Black Knife Assassins, Marika was free to rebel against the Greater Will, and as such, shattered the Elden Ring in its entirety. This is because Marika agrees with the three fingers' philosophy, but not their methods. The world the Greater Will made is imperfect, and in need of repair. This was true long before the stealing of the Rune of Death. This is why Ranni's ending could be considered the best ending, it is an ending the rejects the Greater Will, and ushers in a wholly new age. The normal endings are all the same. You restore the world as it was, but with something slightly different. Fia, the age of the Undead. Goldmask, an age without free will. Dung Eater, the age of pestillence, and the basic ending, which is the same as the world from before the Shattering. The Greater Will is still in charge in all of these endings. These endings are not what Melina wanted.
So why did Melina have Ranni lie about her name? Because if we knew, all the way at the start, who she was and why she was working with Melina, we would distrust Melina. We would reject her guidance, and perhaps the guidance of grace entirely, because why should we trust the person who started all of this in the first place?
"bad" ending, I thought it was the best one by far, the frenzied flame being Evil is the perscpective of those who buried the merchant underground, it's just another god, an alternative to the greater will
Maybe she was one of the assassins
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Okay, what if Melina and Ranni are twins that were born AFTER Marika and Radagon became one in their alchemic ceremony/ritual or WHATEVER happened. Marikas children with Godfrey were named with either God as a prefix or M- as the beginning of the name, as well as Radagon and Rennalas childrens' names starting with R-. So my point is somehow they are both bound together in some way and if Rannis body died the night she stole the rune of death then that would explain why we see the spectral version of ranni with their opposite eyes overlaping. This makes even MORE sense looking at Melina's opened left eye that would've overlapped with Ranni's.
OKAY, this is where it gets tricky. I know it is stated that Ranni is the direct descendant of Rennala, but either this isn't true or it's a half truth (I'm not sure as we don't have all the puzzle pieces). Comments welcome. Please discuss
Melina is ranni’s body and you cant convince me otherwise as ranni is a spirit possessing a doll and is in need of a new host
goth melina omfg
Ranni and melina never truly speak of each other but almost everything u do ranni knows as if u have someone shadowing u
That mark is punishment for turning sides from them
This all relies on the idea that the Golden Order as given by the Greater Will is "good."
But it can easily be interpreted as a metaphysical parasite, and many of the characters want to remove it or at least it's influence for that reason. Becoming Elden Lord perpetuates the system the Greater WIll is protecting, and if it is actually malevolent…then Melina is serving the villian, and thus is a villain.
The difference is that she thinks she's the protagonist, and means well with her actions. She doesn't see the Golden Order as evil, nor the Greater Will for enforcing it…so she's trying to make you Elden Lord.
So, she's a villain by circumstance rather than intent.
Shabriri also mentions Melina.
Also, Renna is the snow witch who was Ranni's mentor. The reason she claimed to be Renna is because the body Ranni inhabits is Renna's corpse strung together (as implied by the Miniature Ranni doll item description).
The theory that I support is that Melina is the identity of the un-named and unknown Empyrean, the Gloam-Eyed Queen. Claiming she doesn't have a physical body, it would make sense as the Gloam-Eyed Queen was defeated and had Death taken from her, and she would now want us to go an defeat Maliketh to unbind Destined Death so that she might rise to her true strength again. Becoming Elden Lord is a simple way to coerce us as every Tarnished would wish to become one. In the Frenzied Flame ending, her closed eye is a dark purple, which lines up well with the definition of "gloam" and her confidence in killing us, who has ascended beyond a mere tarnished as Lord of Frenzied Flame might come from her past in godslaying as the Gloam-Eyed Queen, which she can now do with Death unbound.