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TURN: Washington’s Spies is a popular television programme about people who turn into Washington’s spies. Or, something like that. Honestly I don’t much care about the programme because at least up until now, everything (and I do mean everything) that I’ve seen of it has left me cringing. Not the least of which, this battle scene.
It comes it at the end of Season 2 of the show and is intended to portray the Battle of Monmouth. It does not do this well. In fact, it does so poorly that even The Patriot can genuinely be said to have better battle scenes. Yikes.
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Further reading:
If you’re interested in the range of muskets, here are some interesting pieces to consider:
https://kabinettskriege.blogspot.com/2018/01/how-close-ranged-were-mid-eighteenth.html
https://youtu.be/8Cw8ktmlF1A
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Sorry all! Little bit of a delay on my end so the next video is not yet on Recast. I will make a community tab post when it is available, though!
Y'all do know it's a TV show "loosely" based on the Culpeper spy ring right?
This is what happens when you Auto-resolve battles
Kamikoto knifes are the same Honk Kong based company that owns EstablishedTitles. They use extremely cheap steel and are not actually made in Japan.
That civilian contracted may even have been a slave
To show a battle without gore is to glorify war.
Oh my goodness, I was * just * rewatching this show and as soon as I came to this scene my thoughts immediately went to what you might have to say about it! I admit I adore this show—some nice historical details and artistic cinematography, but to my knowledge the actual historical * accuracy * is questionable at best… oh well; sacrifices are made, I suppose.
This really feels like they tried to represent a much larger battle with a very limited number of extras, so we’re supposed to just scale everything way up in our heads, from the number of men per “block” to the distance between “blocks”
The soldiers on the hill are in such loose lines because they are slowing the spread by staying 6 feet apart near the generals obviously.
10:51 Love a good Seinfeld reference!
I watched 3 eps of this show and quit it looked like it was a romance show just being set in the period to me with some spy stuff thrown in. Also a horror collab you say? will you be fighting confederate zombies soon Brandon?
Well, we only watch it for entertainment, not historical accuracy.
It'd be nice if someone would create a documentary showing actual battles in position at real paces with the musical cues and such so people could use that as a reference. It could be done with CGI so no one gets hurt but then you could see something closer to real to get a better understanding. It's time consuming even if you get experienced people to reshoot for flubs and farb but with CGI you could keep making iterations until it's perfected as much as it can be. Maybe some historical society could crowdfund it in the future.
To be honest, that show was seven shades of shite.
average napoleon total war gameplay
29:20 or to portray Napoleons withdrawal from Russia during a sweltering summer and not during winter lmfao
Ahhh yes. Brandon. The pm
U.S. American that despises his own country and wishes he was British. Wow
Hey a gun channel called grananed thumb just made a video on a flintlock musket can you make a video I want to see what they got right
"Why are they doing this?!"
Because the show creators fell for the meme that you have to see the whites of their eyes before you can shoot at them.
Lol I rickrolled this dude
It's obvious that Turn's Battle of Monmouth didn't have enough troops on the field.
The german "Flaggenmarsch" literally "flag march" was just exactly that. A display of regimental, or all Sorts of units, flags. Also it was just the first Block in the Parade. I really don't know what your trying to mock there. I've seen a lot of british flags in one clump of soldiers of a british military parade, but I know that it was a special ocassion…
I read the book "Turn" was based on, "Washington's Spies" by Alexander Rose. To say I was disappointed in "Turn" is putting it mildly. I watched one or two shows then didn't bother with it afterward. 🤢
And don't get me started on "Sons of Liberty."
Mr. F review Glory
I think you should drop the kamikoto sponsorship. Both it and established titles are ran by the same shady company.
I feel your pain here. Just remember that you can always grab your emotional support copy of The Patriot anytime when history is butchered like this. 😉🤣 But good to see that our faithful and obedient servant here on YT brave the horrors and save us from terror. 👍
If you're interested in war films that seem like horror films, you should watch Come and See.
"They're ready for us"
sadly it appears your expert tactic of announcing yourself LOUDLY and march SLOWLY up to them in BROAD DAYLIGHT wasnt as sneaky as you think my friend
When you said war movies shouldn't feel like adventure, they should feel like horror it really got to the heart of what I dislike about most modern depictions of combat in a lot of films and TV.
Something I particularly want to avoid in the TV show I want to make.
Never watched this show, but wooooooooooooooow! That's pretty bad even by the standards of TV. Even the History Channel would have tried harder.
You covered the name of the book with your hand! Help me out here man, what’s the book? That sounds so fascinating
The kominko knives and Lord and Lady in Scotland are the same scam company I've heard just a heads up.
Hi all please be aware that kamikoto knifes are a scam and their certification mean nothing they are actually the same company that does established titles please be careful and make sure you absolutely know what you are buying
Great vid per usual! Perhaps this is a bit outside your scope, but given how often it is seen that media with low budgets tend to show things poorly and get the scale wrong, maybe you could discuss potential ways around that? A lot of that will be filmmaking technique, obviously, but certainly there are boxes one can check on this historical side to show great scale without necessarily showing seas of extras.
Edit: commented before I fully finished the vid, glad to see the Culloden mention as to budget and storytelling constraints, though I think even more can be said and suggested regarding that topic
To the point of musket accuracy, I implore you all to check out the YouTube channel Capandball for some great demonstrations of historical equipment from the 18th and 19th century. These arms are quite capable and so long as popular media refuse to show them as such, people get a very distorted view of this time in conflict
Currently listening to the Noble Volunteerudioook on Audible; With Zeal and Bayonets Only is next on my library.
The first one is a good read, and gave me some ideas for my next RPG setting, though I have to think of a reason to justify the highly anacronic combination of 17th century formations with late 14th century technology D&D 3.5 games usually have.
Hm… do you happen to know the reasons behind the adoption of the Regimental system in place of the less organized companies of the Pike & Shot era?
Kamikoto knives are actually a scam mate. Should cost about five quid each. Just saying.
I love this show, and absolutely LOATHE the battle scenes. They also do a few historical figures pretty poorly, but it did help me get into some more niche Revolutionary War topics.
A brilliant critique. I honestly couldn't get into the show to even reach this scene much less do anything else. It was just soap-operaesque. And the material culture is horrific. But such is the nature of films and shows based on the American Revolution, I'm afraid.
I love that you referenced "With Zeal and Bayonets Only." It really is the "ruling work" of British Revolutionary War Reenacting.
Thank you. As always I learn much from watching your videos and appreciate you taking the time to bring so much of this to light!
Season and landscape realism are important elements of historic accuracy. Although the landscape matched the history, the differences between summer and winter in New Jersey are so profound that the battle depicted could have happened on a different planet.
since the series it's self is mianly focused on the copper head spy ring and aberham woodhull i could give the show with the battle of Monmouth in TURN wiggle room.
I think one of the only movies I’ve seen that portrayed war as awful as it is was the 1930s All Quiet on the Western Front. I absolutely agree that war and combat shouldn’t be portrayed flippantly. I grew up watching the typical war and action movies as a lot of kids and actual war was a bit of a shock. I mean, we all KNOW it’s not a yeehaw party adventure but nobody was really ready for how horrible it actually was. I got a teaspoon size taste of war and combat compared to a lot of guys and it was still the most visceral and terrifying thing I’ve ever and probably ever will experience. I’m not asking for close-ups of some guy’s head coming apart but don’t act like it’s clean and sterilized. It’s awful, it’s scary as fuck, it’s disgusting, it smells terrible. It’s the most visceral thing a human can experience. Don’t boil it down to BANG “oof”.
Edit: for the record, I did enjoy Turn, probably because I don’t know as much as I should about the time period. But even to my relatively uneducated eye, that scene was dog water.
of course the history of british logistics was a nightmare, the commissariat was not actualky part of the army but a different branch of the government altogether. the wagons were sometimes crewed by various uniform bodies when civilian contracters weren't available
for instances the Royal corps of wagoners various other.
Brandon! Kamikoto knives are a scam! (they're run by the same people as Established Titles, also a scam) You really shouldn't be taking sponsorships from them