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1:31 Tacticus
3:08 What are greater daemons?
8:40 Blood Thirsters
13:26 Great Unclean Ones
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29:16 Which Greater Daemon Is Strongest?
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Honestly? I agree with the assessment that only a daemon of chaos undivided could ever be called strongest. Looked at from a detached standpoint, the gods and daemons are frankly, inferior to mortals. This might seem a strange statement, until you consider the actual nature of these beings. Each embodies a concept that is universal to all mortal life, which I hasten to add, is what sustains them in the first place. Nurgle is nature and the cycle of life. Khorne is natural selection and survival. Slaanesh is sensation and emotion. While Tzeentch is change and evolution.
Now, here's the kicker. Because these beings are defined by universal concepts, they can never deviate from them. Tzeentch can never be honest or straightforward. Khorne can never be complex and considered. Slaanesh can never stop being dramatic, and Nurgle can never break the cycle. As a result, they are limited in what they are capable of doing/being. Unlike a mortal, who can "choose" how they want to act and what they wish to be, the gods and their respective daemons can only be what they are. And that makes them vulnerable.
Want to defeat a Khornate daemon? Lure him into a trap. Want to kill a Keeper of Secrets? Throw masses of mindless boring robots at them. Don't like Tzeentch being an ass? Literally tell everyone to just do nothing, and kill anyone who doesn't listen. Nurgle got you down? Sterilize everything with fire, while at the same time making people as hopeful as possible. These are oversimplifying things obviously, but you get the idea. Crippling overspecialization.
So yeah, Be'lakor is probably the strongest "greater daemon" because he's technically undivided. Also a former mortal, which means he can think outside of the predetermined conceptualization of daemonic entities established by the universal constants experienced by the collective psyches of soul bearing species. . .
It is entirely possible I have given this debate far more thought than it deserves.
Are there any greater demons of chaos undivided?
Everything is pretty much accurate, but saying bloodthirsters don't offer deals is wrong. Look at total warhammer 3, the whole campaign of skarbrand is him having a deal with the wizzard and honoring it. And Skarbrand is even more rage-filled than the other bloodthirsters.
Can greater deamons get corrupted by other Chaos factions? Or is their essence too pure to sway to others? Like a bloodthirster corrupted by disease, or a Lord of Change corrupted to change things into a Bosch painting of orgy of weirdness, or a keeper of secrets that just wants blood for the blood god?
Chaos Undivided may be the only way the galaxy could stop the Tyranid… It's a shame that'll never happen.
Honestly. I enjoy Keeper of Secrets the most. I don't even wanna hide the reason. I'm very horny 🙂
Is there a difference between a Greater Daemon and a Darmon Prince?
Oh boy! Warp-made horrors beyond my comprehension!
in saying that theoritically all 4 of them uniting to fight a single enemy, what would that be? how dangerous would something have to be where all 4 gods would fear and feel the nneed to fight together?
also a cool idea would even the gods asking the nekrons, humanity and those other robot dudes for help, a one universe army versus…what tho
There is one more kind of greater deamon ..
Eldrad Ulthran video please
Wait, so bloodthirsters fly out of pure anger?
The thing about Tzeench is that his power directly relates to the writers. The writer can always just say Tzeench planned for everything. Just like how magic is, which i suppose is fitting.
:Introvert looks up at Lord of Change, remains unaffected.:
LoC- "What… the-"
Introvert- "My self hatred is infinite, for I have seen every awkward encounter, social slip-up, and unintentional dumbassery in my life, and every way I could've done them differently. Get on my level, bird boy."
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In a straight-up fight, I feel like the Lord of Change would beat the other ones. Doesn’t matter how ferocious or tanky you are if your opponent can predict &/or manipulate your movements, and then boast you from a distance. Maybe speed can react well to that, but speed means nothing if you just get lured into a honeyed trap. 🤔
I do love papa nurgle
Good ol papa nurgle
So insane other gods and demons think “damn he’s crazy, better keep him chained up as a plan B.” Oof
Thank you
Hmmmm
Did you know? A "daemon" in language actually means "good spirit", they're not actually necessarily meant to be good but not evil either, a "demon" would fit those guys better as it just plain means "evil spirit", UNLESS….The Warp actually isn't all that EVIL after all, that "a" in daemon isn't just a fancier way of saying "demon"….or I'm just overthinking it and GW didn't get a memo 😡
I imagined a scene where a Great Unclean One is fighting a Keeper of Secrets in an Arena, at first it looks like the Keeper of Secrets is winning until the Great Unclean One pulls it's socks off releasing a stench that suffocates the Keeper of Secrets to death.
In Total War: Warhammer 3 (after getting all the other games and dlcs) I started Choas Undivided but I focused on Khorne and Tzeentch, they are my favorites of the main 4 (not including Malal/Malice)
In real life space is basically a giant dust pan full of static, radiation, and whatever the fuck dark energy is
Ehi I want to ask something to wh lore experts. How does the imperium take care of these monstrosities? I mean, space Marines are strong and all but it's obvious that they can't hold a greater demon so how does the imperium react? Do greater demons have like regeneration capabilities or you can just like bomb them down with a good hit from some high caliber cannon?
1v1 battles would be fun to see. I’m sure the bloodthirster smashes most of them in a duel.
where did you get your shirt lol, i love it
so daemon prince eg angron , morty > greater daemons?
some help clarifying pls
Each time Im at work, driving, in a crowded place or on my phone I'm contributing to the blood gods needs.
I do not like the whole "depends on the author" argument. Its heresy.
After watching this, I now want to read a book about the greater demons forming a D&D like party
Tacticus is so sweet, but there is so much to do that I'm kinda lost for what I should be focusing on. Should I just be blasting away at the base campaign and leveling those characters?
Are there languages unique to the warp?