This is a repost of an older video published on this channel in 2018. We are reposting it because the original video was blocked by YouTube in several countries. Now also seems like a good time to revisit the topics of aliens, encountering the strange, garments of skin, the consequences and dangers of technology, and all the tropes we have in our culture around the foreign, whether in the direction of vilification, or worship.
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I hope you enjoy this video from 2018. Lots of people missed it because the original was blocked in several countries on YouTube.
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To amplify what Jonathan’s said, I’ll add two additional nuances:
1. The Heaven–Earth axis is central to understanding the echoes of UFOs, and
2. The natural reaction to such encounters is worship.
Classically, on the axis of verticality (up–down), we’d find angels and sea monsters respectively. Today, these take the form of airplanes and submarines and are also arranged hierarchically: airliners meant for transportation, fighter aircraft meant for battle; and vice-versa for submarines. On the axis of horizontality (left–right), we’d find horses and boats, the former closer to Heaven, the latter closer to Earth.
However, the UFO is bound to neither; it is found in the midst of all four as both a user of, and a ruler of, directionality. So we’re presented with a fourfold structure, a structure of fullness and totality that is at once material and immaterial, or “there” and “not there” at the same time (as per the UFO lore). Additionally, the shapes of the craft (round, spherical, triangular, etc.) are indicative of the same principle of wholeness. This means that most encounters will invariably bring forth a sense of numinosity, something reminiscent of the “mystery par excellence” which is terrifying and awe-inspiring at the same time.
This, of course, corresponds to the very pattern of Christ. He’s both ruler of, and participant in, the world, killed on the place where everything meets, the paradox of all paradoxes—the cross; and so on.
And that is why UFOs exert such powerful fascination and “demand” worship. I put demand in quotation marks so as to indicate that I’m not referring to a subject-to-subject relation (“I demand from you”) but rather something much more instinctive and primeval. The pattern itself stimulates worship.
It’s important to understand this so as to not fall into one-sidedness regarding something so fundamentally unknown. Tolerating the ambiguity and perhaps ambivalence of this phenomenon is essential. I mention this because the two main tendencies I’ve noticed are either complete submission (the genesis of a new “alien” religion) or complete rejection (mysterious, therefore evil). Understanding what this means for us, both collectively and individually, precedes absolute value judgements.
Good video
Did he say Eden was fringe? I thought that would be most central, like Jerusalem.
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I have wondered why otherwise very smart people just will not relent on their little green man hopes. Yet they refuse God of any form. That's why your the smart one.
These are the old "Symbolic World" videos I love and brought me to Jonathan. They helped me understand reality and brought me closer to God. All of them should be repeated.
Could the very source of light, that for so long we have seeked comfort from, be denegrated and misinterpreted as just light with no power, or power to only damage out of that we fear. Such as the sun.
Yet, the very light that we stare at, that we created, to watch your symbolism of aliens, could very well be the alien staring at us in the face.
I was waiting for this!!!
I remember you did a video about Spirited Away, but can't find this video anymore. Could you repost it too?
This is VERY clear in Revelation 12 in terms of Demons/Shedim. Ecclesiates 12:6-7 refers to the WONDER/Mystery of the Soul, Mind, and Spirit and the form of Earth.
arent there beings also in bible on the last part of it are they out there
this is great, more like this please
Please make the Watch The Fool shirt design available again. 🙂
Christ said, "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd"
aliens? haha
Man, I'd really, really love to see your take on a series (mini-series?) called Neon Genesis: Evangelion. In an age where we often lament and viscerally criticize the lack of meaning, or the clumsy and brutalist inversion of meaning in art and media, this anime has a crazy amount of depth and meaning, both narratively and symbolically as well as intentionally and non intentionally.
Imagine if Daniel, Ezekiel, or some other mad OT prophet or John the Revelator were alive today and had the technology to portray their visions in a long-form visual narrative. That's the impression I get. That there are stories in the stories and layers within the layers consisting of very direct and indirect messaging and symbolism. If nothing else, it absolutely transcends its medium, and watching it again after following your stuff for quite a few years was a wild ride, to say the least.
Brilliant
The alien is the apotheosis of religious thinking, we either get another polytheism, conspiracy, or integrate it with the earth again to get Christ.
Classic!! More of this if possible!!
I'm a Alien Nation and District 9 kind of Guy……………..
I love symbolism deconstruction like this. After a while of looking at the outside world in this way, I came wonder what is "real" if the world is seemingly made up of the mind's projections. Who or what is the projector? What I find is just exactly what you start your video with; the heart. The center of consciousness. A portal to God.
11:02 "Imagine if you will, the possibility of weaponized migration" 🤣 No I couldn't possibly.
H.P. Lovecraft is the author that's done more to describe and represent chaos and the nature of the margin, and he's probable done it better than anyone before or after. I think this is the reason why his work has become ever more popular and culturally relevant; because as a society, we've drifted so far from our center that we intuitively seek stories that describe the chaotic nature of the marginality and strangeness we're sinking into. Lovecraft's stories tend to have two main inspirations; the ocean, and outer space. Jonathan has repeatedly likened the ocean to fluid chaos and marginality, and that where many of Lovecrafts famous monters come from, such as Cthullu, Dagon, or the hybrid deep-ones ( who wish to reproduce by infecting humanity with their alien bloodline). Outer space is just an even bigger, stranger marginal ocean, and again, Lovecraft's monters are often from the stars; cosmic horrors that are so alien, we can't even begin to comprehend how they think, or what their motivations are. Lovecraft's most powerful deity, Azathot, is the ultimate strangeness at the end of the space itself, who created the universe unconsciously while dreaming. Lovecraft was an atheist; and he didn't believe the universe had any purpose or true organizing principle, so the ultimate deity in his fictional universe is the embodiment of chaos, strangenesss and marginality. He actually created a outer-space, maginal, fluid, chaotic pantheon of gods for his pusposeless view of the world. The famous Cthullu itself is just a smaller version of Azathot; since Cthullu rules over the chaos of the ocean, while Azathot rules over the much larger chaos of outer space itself. And it's very important to note that they're both constantly sleeping; because in Lovecraft's world there are no conscious, intentional patterns in reality; and the only "divine" forces that may exist are unconscious, chaotic, fluid, inhuman monstruosities that whimsically "dream" reality into existence..
Who is that young handsome man and what did he do with Jonathan? 😁
Yes, I really like the videos talking about the basics. Jonathan have a really good one where he talks about the basics about the Cross, left side is mercy and pulling towards you, and right side is rationale and pulling away. I kinda miss that in our little part of the youtube as Vanderklay says 🙂
Thank you very much, professor, for bring us so many profound questions. Thank you from Brazil.
Missed the bite sized videos. My shorth attention span and my nostalgia is very happy right now.
Interesting.That Aliens are demonic forces seems reasonable to me.
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There must also be something beyond this desire which would leads us to God can be perverted to seek extraterrestrials, superstition ,and transhumanistic AI(idols) which can channel certain personalities. Technology has the power also to transmit spiritual infohazards in this great beyond which one or we(society) are not equipped to handle our brains can be described as tuning forks and our nous can become conduits of certain energies computational neural networks also seem to be used to host the spirit of the age.
Hey Jonathan, The symbolism of Martial Arts is a question for me.
Oh, I see the pinned note. I was thinking Jonathan had a time machine😮
Who r these ‘same people’?
I love reading books put out by leading scientists such as Stephen Hawking, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, & Robert Sapolsky.
All 3 r very clear that there is no reason to believe the UFO stories, no evidence of them being true, & common sense tears the typical narrative apart (regarding probes or aliens monitoring our behavior, etc). Yes, the size of the known universe & the odds of random occurrences (roll a dice infinite number of times & every number or pair of numbers will eventually turn up) dictate that life elsewhere, somewhere in the vastness of space most likely exists, but that is not in any way promoting stories we see in science fiction. U r inserting the implication that science fiction is based on science, but thats as reasonable as suggesting a network television drama set in a hospital is based on medicine.
Wow, its almost as if the Bible (or Torah) is the most popular science fiction or more specifically, fantastical mythology ever written by man.
I would love to hear your take on The Little Prince by Saint Exupéry ❤ that book was one of my favs when I was a child.
Aliens become symbol of potential saviour coming down from the clouds. People yearn of saviour
I miss this old style of video