Something’s very different this time around. We’ve been here before, but the vibes are very off at the minute. Let’s talk about it.
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Timestamps:
0:00 – Have We Been Here Before?
0:58 – Marathon and Destiny PvP
4:17 – Diablo vs Destiny
8:35 – Destiny Player Malaise
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Found this video on my recommendation after getting my petty fix on watching how destiny 2 has been dying as of recently, I stopped playing a while ago after they removed half the planets and some dlc from the game. A lot of my friends were upset and kept saying stuff like "wow I bet your happy destiny is finally shit now huh" and the obvious answer is no, as much as I love being petty and seeing things I dislike get what they deserve, it's just as disappointing to see how a game I put so much time and effort into get thrown to the side for a bunch of shit corporate overloads not understanding how to make a decent game anymore. I'm still not going back to D2 for my own sake but this is a great video
They got lazy. They already got everybody's money so what's the point.
Destiny for the past 2 years has been an exercise in patience and disappointment as a PVP main
Sony purposely killed Destiny tell me I'm wrong. They bought Bungie, then immediately we had to pay for event tickets to unlock the holiday grind rewards, had replete server issues, and a new endemic of worse than ever cheating even for controller console players
I wonder if any D2 players have moved over to Warframe besides me. The grind in Warframe I feel is much better than what D2 has become.
I quit playing before Lightfall, when it was clear that bungie management takes the playbase for granted and sees us as nothing more then open wallets, and some truely awful cringe character relationships being passed off as decent writing.
but as much as I can be mad at Bungie, there is just as much blame to be put at the player base for letting it gets this far. the "micro transactions are ok as long as they're only cosmetic" has done way more damage then people realize, Being Ok with purchasing a cosmetic armor set for 20$ which is half as much (or even a quarter if they bought the deluxe edition) as they paid for the "expansions" and now whole parts of the expansions being carved up and sold piece meal to players.
The playerbase has been all carrot and no stick. The stick being actually protesting this stuff but having a sort of Mass log out/boycott of the game, not, making a bunch of videos pointing out there's a problem and hoping some Devs see it.
and I would think if enough content creators possibly organized it, it might make enough of a dent for bungie to take notice. But it probably wouldn't happen, as Content creators would be far too concerned with keeping their privileged access to the Devs, to risk it on possibly taking the game in a better direction.
careful with D4 – it'll just get worse as the year goes by, it having a story that actually finishes as a praise really is telling to how vapid live services are and how it conditioned people to accept less, remember live service is a carrot on a stick – it NEVER gets complete, never can or then there's no point in anything after, always another hill to cross
and even then it still has egregious MACROTRANSACTIONS, BATTLE PASS, SEASON PASS, DLC and more incoming, that's horrible
Kinda missing from your list that trials is also getting new cosmetics as well, legit has been getting more than IB, on top of the fact that it's getting anything at all, say like, compared to gambit. And I find it wild how you listed all that stuff that PVP got and said they're doing nothing to service the PVP community. When in reality, you mean that if they're not dropping a map or two per season, to the PVP community they're doing nothing. You listed off a bunch of evidence to the contrary and then threw it into the trash.
Don't get me wrong, I still love D2 but I think Bungie needs to "regroup"
Sadly, the spark was never fulfilled. The potential was massive. The execution never occurred.
I got pissed when they removed Tangled Shore, since that was my favorite map and I PAID FOR IT.
Watching the community, every other player agreed to it, it really pisses me off. Years of playing, i had everything, every content since i paid for it, now, i got nothing, no content. I just stopped and never look back. It really didn't surprises me if Bungie did worse after that.
I just stopped caring and eventually Uninstalled it due too needing the space for other things.
It’s so sad to see the community cry for PVP support and being ignored or handed the bare minimum. Only to see Marathon come with everything destiny 2 should have gotten.
I payed for this year and its seasons and I'm not even bothered to try and get my monies worth out of destiny since season of the deep
I left Destiny 2 about a year ago feeling unsatisfied but was unsure as to why at the time. It's becoming much, much clearer with the conversations that are finally happening in the community. There are better games–PVP and PVE–than Destiny, and that offer things like Destiny, all because Destiny has become a pure cash grab while simultaneously being apathetic in "developing" the game.
10:17
Bungie’s mantra “WAS” that they wanted to make games they want to play.
That hasn’t been the case for a a while now and their most recent GDC presentation all but confirmed that.
If you think that’s still their mantra, then you haven’t been paying attention.
Sunsetting & weapon crafting destroyed the game. No reason to grind , it'll be nerfed or removed so your time is wasted. And they set light level caps so you'll rarely feel powerful unless you abuse whatever is broken at the time. Pvp has been in shambles since the hand cannon shotty nerfs. The game just isn't fun anymore. Im honestly just hoping d3 is announced after final shape.
I'm looking forward to watching marathon crash and burn. I really don't think it will be as popular as bungie thinks it will. I have been playing destiny since D1 beta and I have ZERO interest in a pvp extraction shooter.
I think people will try it with around only 30-20% sticking around purely because they are the bungie bum boys and will do anything if it's bungie doing it.
I quit after light fall. I just lost interest completely. Play one 10 min mission then back to the same shit I have been playing for the past 9 years.
I really hope that this one will make its way to a chamber in Bungie in order to resonate your message. This is a very important video, especially because takes from Nomad are always so well spoken and clear. Thank you mate <3
I think the only reason I haven’t given up completely is that at this point I’ve spent far too many hours and far too much money to just abandon hope. I have to believe that Final Shape will perform the way we hope AND will pay off. But if it doesn’t, well lol – at least it’s just one more year. I’ve stuck around this long.
went to warframe honestly feels like a much better game then what im getting from destiny sadly been playing for years now and just cant put more time to destiny wont put more time to destiny
I've had more fun getting stuck in the mud in Snowrunner than Destiny at this point
Hyped for marathon
Almost never played destiny
d2 is dead
Firstly, you’re literally copy pasting what every other content creator is saying, which lets be real, is for clout.
Bungie has separated resources dedicated to Marathon, it’s not the reason for any lack of content.
Nothing wrong with PvP. Hear me out. There’s 25 ACTIVE maps in Crucible right now, 8 inactive. That’s 33 maps. And they’re all FREE TO PLAY, which the vast majority of games hide behind a pay wall.
Let’s not forget that the community has disowned the last 2 maps that Bungie actually made.
So the simple solution, at least for now would be to rotate maps in and out every season. 8 maps in, 8 maps out. Keeps it fresh.
ALSO, PvP has been getting new content every season – new guns, new game modes, new cosmetics, weekly balancing .
And oh my, the Diablo vs Destiny? Yeah let’s take a brand new game that’s been in development for like a decade and compare it so a season of Destiny. Damn dude, you’re so clever.
feel this destiny is one of the biggest dissapointments to me
I feel like this video is a little late coming out and a lil overly pessimistic (though likely gets more clicks and that so it is purposeful), it 1000% would make sense like mid lightfall with it being just bad due to the empty unmotivated nature or it. We had stuff to fight for in prior expansions. Cade in forsaken, who does not want to kill a hive god in witch queen, but no one cares for a mf muggufin chase with no context to the consequences so we have 0 idea the actual stakes except for the "trust me bro they high stakes" from the jarjar of destiny. really I feel that this is a small down swing but I'm pretty confident all the story will be properly set up for the next expansion. Sony just forced a couple of very bad decisions here but I have confidence that Bungie will stick the landing.
With it being the "End Game" effect like the infinity saga I can see the point of needing to move content away from the game to save face in case they go the marvel way to being meh. I do think the story will continue with destiny beyond final shape. In what shape or form we do not know but it may be littler stuff for a while similar to the house of wolves/ earlier days of destiny content while starting to build up another story arc. Though it is a place of uncertainty and perilousness, there is at least a light amongst the abyss.
Yeah I waited to see reviews for lightfall because I didn't find witch queen all that fun. Thank God I didn't get it
Honestly I don't think I'm that interested In marathon in all honesty . D2 last major expansion was pretty crap in all honesty , them new characters was doo doo ,I meen an whole campaign to earn a fricking super that they could of gave you in 1 or 2 missions
I never cared for PvP and in Destiny 1 they put way to much effort into it and this bothered me, especially when you HAD TO do it for a quest like an exotic weapon…
They should have put more ressources into PvE and story telling.
If people want to play PvP, they can go to Call of Duty or Overwatch.
It feels like… the "magic" is gone, and now, we see Destiny for the cash cow it's always been. Bungie is using Destiny to scrape up however much cash they can for Matter and Marathon, the writing is clear on the wall, and once Final shape and it's 3-4 seasons are up, that's it, no new content.
Wait so all this marketing & money into lightfall, and they only released… one bad pvp map. Wow
For me, it's simple. There is a $300 barrier to entry for new players, each season is more of the same grind, bosses are dps checks and drop rates suck.
I have been trying to get the thunderlord catalyst for 2 years and 500 hours of play time. But since I don't play PvP, I'm at the soft cap for catalyst (even if you delete the quests, you don't get new catalyst) I didn't get a single new random drop catalyst in season 20.
Not to mention they do such cringe things like giving starfire an ornament after nerfing it. Also is anyone else sick of resetting the season artefact everything you want to change builds?
Its always unfortunate when the focus shifts from making a fun game to making as much money as physically possible 😢
Played from destiny 1 beta, had the collectors edition so thats the dark below and house of wolves. Left and came backafter my friend convinced me to come back for the taken king. Never been back since for more than a few games. I completely missed all the microtranscation shit. I remember leaving because i simply couldnt get past the fact that after years nnearly every single gun model was a reskin bar a few exceptions. Even now watching clips i can see those same shells underneath the handcanons and acout rifles. Plus back then justcthe idea of "the darkness" made it feel like theb
devil himself was coming and we was waiting forbthe traveller to save us. Good times. I never unsubscribed to a lot of the destiny chennrls so i peep a lot of the cintent and controversy. The last time i jumped into the game i didnt even feel nostalgia i just hated it. I think i forget what it was like being a part of the community waiting years for destiny to "get a story" grinding out content that when the taken king came outno matter how big it was supposed to br at the time it was too little to late. With destiny 2 naa. Crazy to think about me and my friends were one of the first to clear the vault.
And according to steamcharts, this is a numbers issue too. We are at the lowest point ever. Bungie just keeps trying the exact same thing hoping it will stick and keeps failing without genuine reflection. We really do not need more destiny, we need different destiny, and they need to stop pushing this current structure as far as it will go before it crashes. I went back to OUTRIDERS and am having more fun. That shouldnt be possible.
I tried to play Destiny 2 this week, but just sitting in the tower made me a bit too sad to play.
I'm starting to question if I'm just looking for things to make it fun like it was in the past or if I'm playing just enough to get my money's worth out of Lightfall.
No matter which of these are true, I don't think I'll stick around for what comes after Final Shape.
I'd just want it to die peacefully. Let it go for what gifts it gave us this past decade.
I honestly don’t know how people didn’t feel like this when D2 originally dropped. That “spark” was gone for me the entire time and I painfully tried to find it for years with this game and it never came back. D2 felt so recycled and boring I feel like only those who didn’t play a lot of the first game really enjoyed D2 because they didn’t know what the first game was like lol
I stopped playing Destiny years ago because Bungie neglected PVP and it simply wasn't providing me any reason to log in.
Marathon is going to be god tier
Decline of destiny was never preventable because its very creators worked actively to undermine the quality and value proposition of the game under their MVP model.
The game has a story? I just tried it for the first time with my wife. We played for a few hours but there was no hint of a story. We just met some NPC who told us to murder "the fallen" for a while for some reason and then we got bored
I've played destiny ever since the D1 beta and the Lightfall DLC is the very first DLC I've not purchased since then.
The reasons being:
1: Realising how much money I've spent on these games.
2: The noticeable increase on cost and amount of microtransactions.
3: The Story (particularly with Lightfall) not going where I originally imagined.
4: The Artstyle has been getting really weird and all over the place compared to D1. This seasons seasonal armour being the last straw for me personally. 🤢
We went from grounded scifi armours in D1 to…. Space mermaids. Stand your 2023 guardian in the newest armour next to Zavala and they'd look like they're from completely different universes. 😂 It just breaks immersion for me.
Destiny 2 for me has become a worthless, uninspired and boring moneygrab. The only thing that was stopping me and my friends from not playing it is the ability to play together. Raids/dungeons/gms are very fun with your friends (sorry pvp lmao).
But since lightfall it was just downfall 🗿 We play wow together now
You say everything will go back to normal next season but I don’t think that will be the case. Bungie has burned the community out and offered nothing to help fix it. They killed there own game and I believe a lot of people will remember this going into marathon. I honestly hope it flops so they see you can’t use your fan base for one game to fund another. Bungie has went big dev and will never come back. Just another activision at this point.