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Does this pompous knit wit ever get round to mentioning that this technique is banned in the UK..?
I believe it should be law that a lawyer must be present during any questioning begins or continues.
Never talk to the police is only half of the story. If the police only have enough to suspect you (however strong the circumstantial evidence) but not enough to convict, then yes , talking only hurts you.
But if they have the evidence to convict, the interview is your only shot to humanize yourself (short of turning yourself in first if you truly believed you were justified).
So for the guilty the games begin with you trying to get the detective to slip up & show they have nothing, or you realizing you’re caught & try to minimize.
For the innocent, I wish I could say there is no danger, but the danger comes from the fact that humans are flawed not by design of the system, & those who abuse the public’s trust must be held accountable.
I was interrogated by the police while i was a security guard at an apartment when someone stole someones $1000 rent. The cop was doing all this stuff, and i know dont talk to the police, but i kept just saying i didnt do it i am on the cameras putting the money in our locked mail room, which also houses a lawn mower for the grounds keeper. When i started the job i told them i would be leaving to run a scout camp and this happend like the week before my last day. The cop was like its awful suspicious to put in your 2 weeks the same day this happens. I was like bro they knew i was leaving, and i am leaving to run a scout camp. After i said this the cop stopped pushing with this technique. I guess that was enough to get him to chill out
the only time somebody would give in to a false claim if they are weak-minded I do not have a problem with law enforcement in most of the law enforcement in my city don't really have a problem with me but when I do get a random officer trying to get a conviction out of something they usually hate my guts because they cannot manipulate my mindset I would think people that do make false confessions to law enforcement would be strong enough to know that if they know they did not do the crime they would not be so easily mind manipulated by law enforcement.
There are only 2 responses that should ever be used when speaking to the police; "Lawyer" and "Am I free to go?"
My guess is that those who don’t immediately ask for a lawyer are either financially unstable enough to want to avoid that outcome, on the lower end of the mental acuity distribution, or some combination of both. Two-tiered justice system on display.
As soon as you’re read your rights… exercise them by shutting the hell up!
There is nothing that you say to the police that can help you or the victim.
The reason they had to talk to you if they need a confession or they need a fall guy.
SAY NOTHING WITHOUT A LAWYER
Reid himself obtained false confessions..
Innocent or not never speak to the police without legal representation.
Human beings sure are classy, aren't they?
Behavioural Cues are noteworthy all the time. We do it naturally everyday. if you see someone scowling and red faced, darting straight at you, there's a reasonable chance this person is very angry and as they get closer you pay rapid attention to thier focus and goal and noticing they're not coming at you, it's just rage and you're in the way. if someone is being snippy at work, or in a public house, or just out shopping, you can tell they're distressed. whether it's because of you or not, this is noteworthy still. more often than not we see neutral and benign behaviours and faces. smooth non irritated movements and facial cues that present a mood/expectation that there is no effect or threat from their surroundings, or what we just call "normal".
Since we don't know the lives of the hundreds of people we encounter everyday, we have to infer based on what "normal" behaviour is in general for most people.
When i was a kid, we never really had mentally deficient people being so prominently known of. especially in schools. being outside of school i knew of 2 people who would be elevated just because one spoke through a puppet and the other had a million ticks and frustrations and OCD like behaviour everywhere he went. after a few years of knowing about this guy i asked him his name, it's dave. or so he says. because of his public flailing and ticks, we all called him Dave the Rave. he had jokes and was funny when he spoke to us. "we" in this story is 100+ kids who basically took over the city center every weekend. not knowing dave like i do now, strangers would see a man yelling and being erratic, kinda rude and a little arrogant. but that's not DAVE, that was his mental inability. only with Dave would i consider it much harder to grasp his mood and reactions in a more orderly fashion to garner any kind of truth to his responses.
People like dave, are far more abundant than i ever could have expected. even though plenty of us think of ourselves as "normal" or "average" humans, how many of us are actually retarded and the system is abusing that lack of knowledge to grab false confessions? we're not stupid enough to discard that possibility are we?
I hate cops. truly hate them. i have zero respect for those goofy costumes. if the person is nice, i'll respect the person, but when that get-up elevates the ego, i refuse any orders. i'll do anything a homeless man with no money, no job, no life, no prospects and all failures, if he's nice, well before i ever do what a badge says just because it thinks it can.
Ried technique aside, to really know how someone is behaving in a moment, is about the life experience you have with them to know the tells they exhibit.
This wall of text has a reason. to explain why cops think it works. I like playing Poker. i prefer real people and hate playing against computer characters. even online poker against real people is kind of attainable in the same manner, but follow me here —> fresh game, 5 other players and you. first task? watch every single player bet. take notes on speed and care taken for that open bet. if they hesitate, or rush, or pay more by accident by grabbing an extra chip, watch every move each of them make. pay attention to the people who will be betting next, take this into account for their betting time and remain focused on what they're all doing on this open blind.
when the cards are being dealt, watch the players again, see thier twtiches, movements, seat shifting, hand postures, card grip/attention. none of these people know you and you don't know them, so all of this is pivotal.
what you're really watching is the easiest part. all relaxed, all comfortable and nobody too afraid of what's coming. 10 hands later you're noticing someone getting desperate. raising the blind bet and trying to outbet another player. or maybe the opposite. folding a lot. these are tells that they're thinking and planning.
and we still don't know eachother. but just watching eachother, we can see/sense/detect/be aware, of how someone is behaving. just like a friend who lies to you, it's unnoticed until you're told of a different behaviour observed by others who inform you of the difference, making a lie much more noticable.
this is why cops think it works. the reid technique is good. i like it. it's behavioural psychology driven to the extreme. and because the anology is so fucking good, i can end with this quote from Kenny Rogers.
You gotta know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run.
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the Dealings Done.
21:30 this is a good reason to have your lawyer present when they want to ask questions.
There is only one thing you need to say in an interrogation. “Lawyer”
Lawyer. Only thing you should say
Here is the issue with the Reid technique.
I could get 99.99% of people to confess to first degree murder in 3 days, and most would confess within 24 hours.
The human mind is not setup to continually resist authority over and over. Normal people will literally start to believe they committed murder, rather than the obvious that the integrator is lying about evidence. People will try and justify false evidence rather than confront that the evidence is false.
Unfortunately, it is not all that hard to convince someone that the impossible happened, even when they should know it is impossible.
This reminds me of the time when a professional advised me to phone the police after my then-wife had been missing all day. A couple of officers came around and were playing the nice and helpful routine, while accompanying me around the property looking for places that might be considered large enough to hide a body. I'm sure I could sense their disappointment when she suddenly returned just as they were about to leave, after all, it would have been a nice career break for them. It certainly left a bitter taste in my mouth though, that's for sure.
NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE WITHOUT YOUR LAWYER PRESENT. ACAB! Seriously. Talking to cops will only get you convicted, whether you are actually guilty or not. Even if you are 100% innocent of whatever they think you did, talking to police will give them leads on other things you might have done or other things to investigate you on. Remember, if they can't convict you on an actual crime, they can convict you on the process. If you did a process "wrong", according to them, it does not matter if the end result is legal.
This is straight up Gestapo, Stazi, KGB, FSB, FBI level psychological torture. I could definitely see an innocent person being psychologically tortured and gaslighted by the interrogator and convinced to confess to a crime that they didn't commit just to make the interrogation stop.
A lot of your details aren't accurate. Some are.
The room I was in had a table separating "us" from "them".
The recording did not start until everyone was in and seated. The camera had a dual-record function, and recorded two tapes at the same time, so if one got lost/damaged, there would still be an evidentiary record. So the new tapes were opened from sealed individual packages, inserted into the camera, and the camera started recording. At the end, the tapes were ejected and separately packaged into sealed packages.
There were 2 vs 1, and my seat was facing the door, there was no adornments on the walls and no windows, the table and two cops were between me and the unlocked door, which is similar to your description.
The reid technique didn't work on me. As an innocent person, I simply denied the facts, and demanded to see the "evidence" every time they said "the evidence shows".
I gave my alibi, and denied everything else.
They wanted a confession, and weren't interested in "my version", so I simply answered the questions, and literally ignored any of the suggestive questions.
The first step to make interrogations "fair" is to require any confession in court must be accompanied by the full, unedited video.
Making the jury sit through a 6 hour interrogation at real-time speed will give some insight into the pressures and problems with doing an interrogation that way. And any interrogation that lost or doesn't have footage, any confession obtained is invalid, though not fruit of the poison tree. So any information gained can be used, but the confession itself is inadmissible.
A few minor tweaks to the process would greatly improve the accuracy of interrogations.
The RCMPs complaining PEACE technique hurts their investigations doesn't know what an interrogation is.
They weren't interrogating people for information, they were just pressuring people into confessions. Close the case as "unsolved, insufficient evidence to prosecute". You don't need to round up the nearest Black guy and try them for the crime to demonstrate a good closure rate (something common 50+ years ago in the USA and elsewhere). It's OK to close a case with a single suspect and not enough evidence to convict. Better to let 100 guilty people go than convict a single innocent one.
"We'll talk more about deception detection in a later section."
That was perfection, you might win an election or advance yourself by natural selection!
I am not sure the police consider false confessions to be a problem, especially in this age of political persecution of Conservatives. Obviously they want false confessions to use to turn innocent people against other innocent people.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
01:35 🚫 Typical movie depictions of interrogation rooms are outdated; modern interrogation rooms have specific designs for privacy and recording.
03:15 🏢 Interrogation rooms are constructed with soundproofing, high-quality cameras, and minimalistic decor to create a controlled environment.
05:05 👮♂️ Police interrogators aim to make suspects feel uncomfortable, maintain control, and keep them talking.
06:14 🕵️♂️ The Reid Technique is a widely used method for police interrogations, focusing on building rapport with suspects and slowly eliciting confessions.
09:03 🧩 The Reid Technique consists of three phases: pre-interview fact analysis, behavior analysis interview, and nine steps of police interrogation.
14:14 💬 The Reid Technique aims to obtain an oral admission of guilt, followed by the suspect retelling their confession, and ultimately converting it into a written confession.
16:08 ❗️ The Reid Technique has a risk of eliciting false confessions, especially when used on innocent people or those vulnerable to pressure.
19:22 🙅♂️ Behavioral cues used to detect deception are not foolproof, as they may not accurately represent a person's true thoughts or feelings.
21:13 🤝 The PEACE method, used in the UK, promotes rapport building and information gathering rather than coercion in interrogations. Its effectiveness is still being assessed in different jurisdictions.
In the US you have an absolute right to silence and no adverse inferences can be drawn. In the UK you can keep silent but if you subsequently raise a defence later that initial silence may allow adverse inferences. The law is different.
When discussing matters of crime it is important to remember that in the western world there is an assumption of innocence for a suspect.
That applies not just to police, courts, and journalists but to the general public who may be chosen as jurors.
It should also apply to commentators on the subject, Simon.
Once you accept an assumption of innocence you must then also accept that no crime has been committed until such time as a defendant has been found guilty by a court or a jury.
Police are not investigating a crime when they interview a suspect. They are investigating a suspected crime.
Bear that in mind.
Every step of this process assumes guilt until proven innocent, it’s disgusting
“I don’t answer questions”
“My lawyer is Mr/Mz(___), I demand to speak with my lawyer before you continue to question me”
“I do not consent to any searches or seizures of my person, car, cellphone, or any other property”
Repeat until they go away or you’ve been unlawfully arrested
Have a lawyer present even when you're calling 911 for help