Let’s talk about the new Codex Dark Angels lore for the Primarch of the Dark Angels and what it means for him and the chapter going forwards…
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0:00 Intro
1:17 The Established Lore
3:16 Return of The Lion
5:57 Arks of Omen
8:05 Codex Dark Angels
8:59 Luther Knew?
10:27 Commanding His Legion
12:54 The Hunt for the Fallen
14:51 Inner Circle Companions
16:07 Character Changes + Reactions to the Imperium
19:16 The Lion Battles Tyranids…
20:49 Closing Thoughts
22:25 Outro
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LETS FOCKING GOOOOO!!!!
The already secretly unified nature of the Unforgiven certainly works in the Lion’s favor when it comes to simply treating the chapters as 30k style companies in his Legion, and he absolutely is in command of them as a legion.
I do like that he is just no stops fighting. Not listening to anyones crap don't got time for that saving humanity. Also he has reunited lost sons not every fallen but still that's awesome.
I really liked the new Lion lore. The fact he doesn't stop the hunt for the fallen, but rather just… shows up and spirits away the worthy is very cool
Is there any new successor chapter in the new DA codex ?
The Lion: Son of the Forest is the reason The Lion became my second favorite Primarch. Really good book and I hope we get a sequel soon.
Its a real shame the codex had the cool fight with the tyranids, but the rules in that same codex nerf him to unplayability and he wouldn't last one round against them now.
ROFL warhammer lore is so bad.
The Lion: based
Robooty Girlyman: cringe
"You just got old" when the lion was told that. My knees felt it
I had a feeling with the Lion returned, the hunt for the Fallen would still go on, but I like the idea of the Lion being the one to confront them and those found to have never been corrupted he'd bring into the ranks of the Redeemed.
Terrible fluffs written by GW, very inconsistent
hmm, now cares about citizens instead of being an asshole. Space wolves W once again, glad to see the mongrel DA are finally coming around,
I'm only here for the lore updates 😀
I can picture The Lion and Guilliman meeting and then neither saying anything as they just stare at one another in silence until some event interrupts them.
So glad that Angron became everyone's punchbag… fuck GW!
Was it white dwarf lion vs tyranids
It would be hilarious if Gulliman made El'Jonson head of the Inquisition.
Just imagine it.
Im so glad the da are becoming truly knights again
I think you have misunderstood them, The Primarch is all to a chapter. If The Lion says that some are forgiven then thats it. All of the chapters ethos and beliefs would ride with that, Luther has told them that only The Lion can forgive them. He has come and some he has forgiven and his word is law to the Legion, not the Chapter, the Legion.
I kinda really hate the idea of the Risen. Or forgiven Fallen. The Imperium has a tendency to just wholesale condemn entire chapters of Space Marines on the flimsiest of reasons, and there is no forgiveness or remorse for those deemed traitors.
Even if it's ultimately a mistake on the Imperium's part, someone condemned as a traitor is forever seen as a traitor. The Fallen shouldn't really be any different. Actual Chaos corruption or no, they're traitors.
That and I'm also a huge chaos fan, and I don't want Fallen Angels to slip out from under the Chaos banner.
If he was in this warp forest why did he age? i thought time moves differently in the warp, basically to a stand still?
I'm sooooooo glad GW finally got rid of all of Gav Thorpe's dead end Fallen wankery with the Lion's return and the Risen.
The higher-ups in the DA DID know Luther was being held in a cell. Sapphon certainly did.
I'm still upset that they decided to make his awakening a "he shows up millions of lightyears from where he's been canonically for millenia" instead we could've had a very interesting moment of the Lion waking up, shocking the entire Chapter, probably cussing out quite a few people in his own way, and then going on to do whatever it is he wants to do while silently reforming his Legion to do his job. Also Caliban being remade just feels wrong. Hunt still makes sense for his character, and being in the shadows is kinda his thing sometimes, but come on it's the Lord of the First. I don't get the same feel I did from the Heresy era with him anymore and that makes me rather sad.
….but this isn't new lore; this is a brief recap of what was told already in 'Arks of Omen V' and in 'The Lion: Son of the Forest'.
Well this could be another chaoter in the fluff, that all Prymarchs are going back and reveal themself 😀
Thanks for the concise summary old chap. Nice work as ever.
I kind of feel like GW is slowly working on redeeming the Imperium as a whole, changing it from something that is unending horror into an actual functioning society, and the current state of the Lion's lore seems to fit my hypothesis.
As for the bit with Luther not "giving up" that Lion was still alive: my guess is that he did and his interrogators didn't believe him. And if the torture was being at all effective, Luther would have stopped insisting on that detail very quickly if they didn't want to hear it. Because it is very well known that torture isn't very good at finding out what the victim actually *knows*, it's just good at finding out what the victim thinks the torturer wants to hear.
Wait, so that's it? Zabriel, Lohoc, Kai and all the rest of the Risen Angels basically get folded into a nameless retinue under the 40k version of 'don't ask, don't tell'? The same guys he was depending on in the Lion Protectorate to serve as his generals, admirals, assassins and troubleshooters? That is some awfully disappointing writing that steps all over Mike Brook's excellent novel and all the fresh ideas he introduced in it.
Wonder what Cypher gonna do now…
Guilliman broke Lion's Hexagrammaton, the system which made the DA switch specializations within the battle seamlessly.
Roboute meddled in what was not his own.
The Lion was the Emperor's Exterminator, his arbiter, a role which exists outside the nominal system, to do what is needed when it is needed, when you cannot wait for how the system would handle it.
Guilliman is the Emperor's Governor, his societal systems builder, a role to perfect the nominal systems of the Imperium.
This was the Emperor's plan, one to create a system to align doing what is wanted with what is needed. And one to do what is needed when what is wanted isn't in alignment.
Guilliman committed heresy in systematizing that which was supposed to be outside his purview by the Emperor's design. And while Lion and Roboute may be more lenient with each other's actions (Lion will probably set up a new Legion system), its the Imperium which may react to cause a civil war which neither primarch wants.
I support what the Lion is doing. Finally, someone is standing up against the government that is the Empire of Man
Luther didnt know it was a secret. Thats why he kept saying he'd only answer to the Lion
Plot armour is right. One primarch and a handful of marines against the never-ending swarm? Sure he is powerful, but Tyranids attack planet wide, and last I checked a single person is an awful lot smaller than a planet. Heck, he should have trouble defending a single town on his own. But what do I know, eh? The laws of the universe bend around the gravitational mass that is the GW writing team.
Glad the Lion isn’t a turbo-douche anymore. He was always a cool idea executed a bit poorly imo.
I was just wanting a recap of his new lore
they make it up as they go along these days
What happens to the vanished prisoners I bet is the innocent ones he walks them into the magical ghost forest and out to another planet somewhere- since the forest takes him to places his lost sons are he sends the loyal fallen, now turned risen, to go spread the word to their lost brothers that he's back and we're getting it together.
First I thank you for bringing thus all together, but the second part is could you add just a tiny of excitement or something to your droning on and on and on flying through the info with the most uninspired plain voice?
Poor Hivelord, he got already owned by the Lion
I like how so many people assume there'd be conflict with Roboute like he wouldn't immediately let the lion do whatever the hell he wanted purely to take the burden off himself. Life is suffering for girlyboatman right now.
Pope Shafthat! It is the great priest of the Man Emperor of Mankind!😂
Oh look new Horus Heresy lore.
Hold up, you mean his shield has the same abilities as the tree sentinel's great shield from elden ring? Crossover confirmed?
Lion realises his mistake as too hot-head.
And he knew he also the one who did grave mistake during the destruction of his homeworld.
If he investigated throughly, instead on massive orbital bombardment.
The situation migth be a little scratches rather suffer massive casulties.
I wonder what the lion and sephon high chaplain conversations are like. As sephon is one of the very few level-headed intergator chaplains
Can't wait for none of this to matter at all except for more Dark Angel minis because GW only brought the Lion back to milk him and his fans for every penny they can get
Your audio recording and mixing need improvement. Please invest in equipment and foam panels.
The loyalty people show to GW no matter how bad they screw us just boggles my mind…