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Would you want immortality if it came at a terrible price? Is immortality itself terrible and undesirable? Have we all somehow been scammed?
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The Core of live is that it is Short
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Baccano touches on the idea of immortality that can be transferred once you feel you've had enough. Going as far as to transfer all that you are to the next.
Harry Potter and the methods of rationality very worth the read.
I would want immortality to experience all media people create. Each book, movie, game, comic, song, picture, and media forms that don't exist yet come from a perspective unique to that person.
Geneticist here: immortality is definitely possible but I still think it's not desirable in reality. There's a core issue that you completely disregarded. Our existence in the current world is defined by the powerful oppressing the weak. If there is medical immortality available will be the rich and powerful to get it. So then what happens to the weak? They will become even more oppressed by money which is used to make more money, and power that is never relinquished. The end result will be that the overwhelming majority of people on Earth would be born into a doomed existence of oppression and live short painful lives with no hope that things will improve.
That is not some minor storytelling quirk. That's the reality of The human condition. Is the inevitable consequence of greed and the desire to protect one's power. The rich are the reason we can't have nice things. And that includes the rich.
The baseline, un-augmented concept of IMMORTALITY, naturally involves other losses.
If one were to say "immorality BUT your family and friends live forever" then you may as well throw in "immortality, BUT you're happy forever"
First, THAT would feel "contrived" (as we lose family and friends in a normal 80 year time span, it feels incongruent to think that we wouldn't lose those people in an 80 million year time span
And 2, it's probably just too ducky to write an INTERESTING story where everything works out fine.
Finally someone who gets it. Why does everyone always scream that immortality HAS to be bad? The terrible rituals, side effects, the lack of choice, all the catches, they don't have to exist. It can just BE GOOD if we want it to be.
Three videos directly related to death and immortality in a single month? I hope everything is okay in Talebot's life.
The paradigm that has to shift is transferring from, "How do you find meaning in a life that will end?" to, "How do you sustain meaning in a life that doesn't end?" They are fundamental questions with very different answers. It's a question of resource usage.
Great video, as always. Also, I really didn't expect HPMOR to be mentioned here (5:10), but its good to see it referenced. I guess if it was mentioned anywhere, this would probably be the place.
This guy really believes he is a robot
The basis of this video relies on your emotions functioning the same as a human, no augmentation. Also, memory not being infinite means you can forget and continue to experience the same new pleasures in life over and over. Counting these, immortal life seems a lot more appealing.
Sooner or later we would summon Slaanesh into the world.
Thank you 😊
I was going to comment on "The Good Place" when referencing the 17776 story. That was a very interesting premise to see addressed.
i think of certain powerful people in business and politics today and think how awful the world would be FOREVER if they were immortal. there soon would be no room for children, robbing the world of innocence and the wonder of their new ideas.
My take; Death is an inevitability,with our current understanding of science,and seems to be the ultimate fate of matter and energy itself,if entropy and heat death are accurate. If it's possible to live for eternity without a meaningful decline in quality of life,I'd be all for it. I'd cherish the time I have with my loved ones,and celebrate their lives if and when they die,and dedicate my life to the preservation and proliferation of knowledge,until the natural end of the universe itself. Immortality isn't inherently awful,nor inherently good. Death is neither good nor bad,merely a fact of existence. And if someone sees eternal life as something foul and miserable,then that ultimately means that they see life itself as something foul and miserable. To live is to experience,and to live forever is to experience forever,and we are the products of our experiences.
Okay first of all, what's with all these story analysis channels making pro-immortality videos lately?
I'm okay with dying. I just don't want it to be for a stupid, preventable reason, or because someone else was selfish.
Do you remember what it was like before you were born? No. If there's nothing after life, then it'll be like that too. As far as our consciousness is concerned, we're functionally immortal.
The biggest issue I have with immortality is suatainability and equity. I wouldn't want to be in a world without children (I know not everyone likes kids, but there's something precious about allowing someone else to experience our universe for the first time). But a world where immortals CAN produce children would necessarily place older people at a MAJOR advantage (how many people ages 30 or under can expect to own houses)… and we DON'T have infinite resources (even if we spread to other planets, our universe is finite, and we'd risk harming life on other planets).
My nightmare scenario is that we wind up in a situation where there's uneven access to immortality and the gap between rich/elites and poor grows even wider (in a situation like that, I'd gladly risk my life to kill off the immortal billionaires). At the very least, immortality should not happen until after humanity has found a truly equitable way of life that actually works and abandoned our current economic models.
The other concern I have about this growing desire for immortality is the mindset. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me it feels like it's at odds with the ability to understand that you, as a person, are a small, finite piece of something much greater than yourself. There are still causes in this world worth dying for, and it's a lot easier to die for a good cause if you know you're going to die at some point anyway.
The threat of death can also help deter certain actions that would be bad for society. I probably would've gotten in a lot more fights with random strangers if I didn't have to worry about dying.
If all these problems can be fixed, then sure. Go for it. But human society is nowhere that point yet.
down with deathism!
(also, read Perry Rhodan for good relative immortality in fiction)
Most major world religions revolve around this idea of eternal life after death. It literally is that eternal life is good and that's what we should strive for. What are you talking about?
I think that the way that they approach immortality in Frieren is neither super boring nor just pain, but it does focus on how life is change and for someone who lives so long change is hard. At least that was what I took away from the story so far.
Immortality is horrifying because it's an error in how the world works, it's infinity in a finite world.
Ya know what? I'm starting to think TaleFoundary is actually run by a human pretending to be a robot.
Age reversal and living indefinitely is not the same as living forever. Forever 25 ten thousand years from now, admirable goal, but eventually you will die. At 80 or 80,000, you will eventually die.
I can't imagine not wanting to be eternal
I think humans will reach a technological level where we will have a choice if we want to end and perhaps reverse aging. And find cures for nearly all diseases. I would choose to live until destruction comes. It might actually become funny. All these immortal humans taking extreme risks because they've lived thousands of years and don't care if they are the first casualty of the first Star Trek transporter experiment. Or accidentally get caught in the gravity well of Jupiter or a Black Hole. Or simply torn apart by sharks. A fearless future perhaps even celebrating the death of your friend of 500,000 years. If you could be a doctor and save the lives of a thousand, a million or learn every trade profession and end most suffering worldwide would you want to? I definitely would. It's not selfishness or fear of death I just want to see how advanced technology gets in hundreds or thousands of years. If I could free the people of North Korea and Vietnam today I would. Positive progress, embrace it!
The Commonwealth Saga by Peter F. Hamilton displays an incredible example of positibe immortality. One where everyone gets to live a the age they want, and where society and laws have to bend to the new reality of such an existence.