The Drydock – Episode 245 (Part 1)



00:00:00 – Intro

00:00:29 – What’s your favorite ship design that you have created in Ultimate Admiral Dreadnought?

00:03:49 – How much work is required to convert from coal burning to Oil?

00:07:32 – If the Japanese hadn’t moved down the Solomon Island chain and stayed in Rabaul and focused on New Guinea, what do you think the plans for the US would have been when starting their offensive?

00:10:52 – What were the prospects for ‘Ships Boys’ in the Age of Sail?

00:16:00 – How did WWII navies adapt to losing access to certain resources needed for their ships, such as metals, fuel, etc?

00:23:51 – How would the US Navy have reacted if USS Hornet was captured by the Imperial Japanese Navy at the Battle of Santa Cruz?

00:27:12 – How much comparative say did Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin have in their nations Naval procurement?

00:29:47 – Direction of travel for an Age of Sail ship?

00:33:09 – How did American Carriers perform in covering Operation Torch as opposed to later actions in the Pacific?

00:36:33 – What is a Galleass?

00:43:40 – Influence of captured French ships on British design?

00:47:49 – What could be learn from Shinano’s wreck?

00:51:55 – Going by total tonnage sunk, which carrier-launched aircraft was the most effective out of everything used in the the Pacific Theater of WW2?

00:56:00 – Flashless powder shortages in the later part of WW2?

01:00:19 – Operation C goes better for the RN?

01:08:44 – Why did the neutrality patrols off the coast of Spain during the Spanish Civil War require the presence of heavyweight units like HMS Hood or HMS Barham?

01:11:11 – Long battleship guns and barrel droop?

01:16:58 – Did the US Navy fight in a battle line engagement using capital ships prior to Surigao Strait? If so, what were these battles?

01:19:35 – William IV’s career in the Royal Navy?

01:21:59 – Where did the name for USS Robin come from?

01:23:55 – Triple 15″ on the R class?

01:27:30 – Did German battlecruisers have massively more pumping capacity than their British counterparts?

01:33:49 – First torpedo defence system?

01:37:52 – What were the regulations on naval officers and crew bringing personal weapons aboard ship?

01:41:26 – Richelieu’s rate of fire?

01:46:11 – Was there anything the French Navy in WW2 was particularly good at?

01:50:16 – Has there ever been an occasion where a shipyard went hurry-up just to make “their” ship the lead-ship (and namesake) for a class?

01:52:41 – Naval history on wikipedia?

02:00:10 – Are there warship names of the former Axis powers that shouldn’t be used again?

02:06:12 – Issues with poor quality coal?

02:09:21 – Are there any books and other resources that have pictures/drawings of naval uniforms (men and women), from 1800 to 1950, from the various navies around the world?

02:11:45 – How does the number of blades and their pitch effect a propeller’s performance?

02:16:19 – Why did the collision between RMS Empress of Ireland and MV Storstad occur and who is ultimately to blame for it?

02:20:48 – Why on earth did Royal Navy used and apparently had purpose built paddle-wheeled minesweepers during WWI ?

02:25:04 – What is the secret sauce that made the performance of the 16″/50 better than the 16″/45?

02:27:59 – If copper and tin deposits were in a much higher quantity compared to iron deposits would it make it cheaper to create bronze how would this effect the development of naval guns from the age of sail to the modern day?

02:31:46 – How has the volume of paperwork aboard a ship at sea changed throughout time and what are some of the reports that would be written?

02:36:06 – Did the IJN rotate crews between their (still floating) ships often?

02:40:10 – What exactly happened to cause the miscommunication that resulted in the Iowa’s 16″/50s being what they became?

02:43:14 – How did navies address the dangers of embers and hot gasses igniting the sails on early steam/sail ships?

02:45:14 – How are the ranges moved on a range clock?

02:46:42 – Shipping in the Dead Sea?

02:48:21 – If Germany and the High Seas Fleet had not been subjected to the restrictions of Versailles, but simply forced to comply with the Washington Treaty restrictions at the same tonnage as France and Italy, 175,000 tons, what might this German navy have looked like?

02:50:57 – Where did the ponderous nature of CSS Virginia come from?

02:53:15 – Induction hardening steel in WW2?

02:56:41 – Could we make hardened steel armour easily today?

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36 thoughts on “The Drydock – Episode 245 (Part 1)”

  1. There recently was an interesting video that went into a great deal of detail about the conversion of the USS Texas from coal to oil-fired. This included a great deal of superstructure removal, re-structuring, removing one of the stacks, and literally gutting the ship (aside from the main armament and magazines etc.). One knows about the amazing rebuilds of some of the Pearl Harbor BBs but the Texas re-fit/conversion was, for its day, quite remarkable. The video dealt specifically with the Texas but I assume that the New York was given a similar re-fit/conversion.

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  2. The picture at 1:40 is of Lieutenant Colonel Simon Fraser, 15th Lord Lovat and Chieftain of Clan Fraser, CO of No 4 Commando disembarking at Newhaven Docks carrying his personal 6.5mm M1892 Steyer-Mannlicher after the Dieppe Raid in 1942. "“It was a rifle I had done a lot of shooting with, and I was dead accurate with it.”

    "Nimble and light, Steyr Models 1892 and 1893 were exceedingly popular stalking rifles in the British Isles from the turn of the 20th century and throughout the interwar years.

    The 6.5 mm round is exceedingly accurate and perfect for medium-size game. Re-barreled many times over throughout the decades for competition, from 6.5 mm to .303 British, then to .303 Magnum, and again to 7.62×51 mm NATO in the 1960s, this turn-of-the- century rifle has shown both its flexibility and its inherent ability for robustness and precision. It is little wonder then why Lord Lovat chose to carry such a useful rifle with which he was so familiar."

    "Simon “Shimi” Fraser, the 15th Lord Lovat (the 17th de facto), was one of the most brilliant tacticians Britain produced during World War II. A fine gentleman, a superb soldier and a commando leader, Lovat was once referred to by Winston Churchill as “the mildest-mannered man that ever scuttled a ship or cut a throat.”"

    British Army officers was expected to provide their own side arms, the only stipulation being the weapon must fire standard British ammunition – Fraser was probably stretching things a bit, although aboard a vessel stuffed with men armed to the teeth, what was the problem? Additionally, speaking as an old officer, if a lieutenant colonel is having to engage the enemy personally, things have absolutely gone to shit and a disaster is looming. His job is to direct the battle, not get involved in firefights

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  3. For the kast question… I would have said what the main big difference is.. that i think the asker was looking for…
    Is how far we have come with automation…with the ability to mass produce.. and to build equipment that can mass produce. And tools that can help in the mass production

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  4. French minelaying sub RUBIS was the highest scoring Allied minelayer "Throughout the war, Rubis made 22 operational patrols, laying nearly 683 mines and sinking some 21,000 GRT of shipping. With 22 ships sunk (14 of them German, including 12 warships), Rubis achieved the highest kill number in the FNFL" Ships sunk or damaged

    1940

    26 May 1940: Norwegian transport Vansø (54 BRT) hits a mine laid on 10 May and sinks at 58°21′00″N 06°01′00″E

    28 May 1940: Norwegian sail ship Blaamannen (174 BRT), from Haugesund, hits a mine laid on 27 May and sinks at 59°28′00″N 05°12′00″E

    31 May 1940: Norwegian merchant ship Jadarland (938 BRT), from Haugesund, hits a mine laid on 27 May and sinks at 59°28′00″N 05°12′00″E

    10 June 1940: Norwegian merchant ship Sverre Sigurdssøn (1,081 BRT) hits a mine laid on 9 June off Herdla and sinks at 60°36′00″N 04°55′00″E

    7 July 1940: Norwegian merchant ship Almora (2,433 BRT), from Egersund, hits a mine laid on 10 May at 58°21′00″N 06°01′00″E. The ship survives.

    24 July 1940: Norwegian merchant ship Kem (1,705 BRT), from Egersund, hits a mine laid on 10 May and sinks at 58°21′00″N 06°01′00″E.

    28 July 1940: Norwegian merchant ship Argo (413 BRT), from Egersund, hits a mine laid on 10 May and sinks at 58°21′00″N 06°01′00″E.

    1941

    21 August 1941: Rubis torpedoes and sinks the Finnish merchant ship Hogland (4,360 BRT) off Norway at 58°27′00″N 05°46′00″E.

    1942

    12 June 1942: German auxiliary minesweeper M 4212 (formerly Marie Frans), 125 BRT, hits a mine laid on 5 June and sinks at 43°37′00″N 01°34′00″W.

    26 June 1942: Vichy French tugboat Quand Même (288 BRT) hits a mine laid on 5 June and sinks at 43°37′00″N 01°35′00″W.

    10 July 1942: German auxiliary minesweeper M 4401 (formerly Imbrin), 339 BRT, hits a mine and sinks at 44°58′00″N 01°23′00″W.

    18 August 1942: German Vorpostenboot V 406 (formerly Hans Loh), 464 BRT, hits a mine laid on 14 August and sinks at 45°03′00″N 01°34′00″W.

    20 September 1942: German auxiliary minesweeper M 4448 (formerly: L 4148), 77 BRT, hits a mine laid on 5 June and sinks at 43°37′00″N 01°34′00″W.

    1943

    10 July 1943: German auxiliary minesweeper M 4451 (formerly Gauleiter A. Meyer), 652 BRT, hits a mine off Arcachon and sinks at 44°58′00″N 01°10′00″W.

    1944

    26 September 1944: German auxiliary submarine hunter UJ 1106 (formerly Grönland), 464 BRT, hits a mine laid on 24 September and sinks at 58°45′00″N 05°24′00″E.

    27 September 1944:

    German auxiliary submarine hunter UJ 1715 (formerly Lesum), 464 BRT, hits a mine laid on 24 September and sinks at 58°45′00″N 05°24′00″E

    German merchant ship MS Cläre Hugo Stinnes 1 (5,295 BRT) hits a mine laid on 24 September and sinks at 58°45′00″N 05°24′00″E

    Norwegian cargo ship Knute Nelson (5,749 BRT) hits a mine laid on 24 September and sinks at 58°45′00″N 05°24′00″E

    27 October 1944: German Vorpostenboot V 5304 (formerly Seehund) hits a mine laid on 18 October at 60°55′00″N 04°40′00″E. The ship survives with heavy damage.

    24 November 1944: Norwegian merchant ship Castor (1,683 BRT), from Egersund, hits a mine laid on the same day and sustain damage.

    21 December 1944, off Norway:

    German cargo ship Weichselland (formerly Latvian Gundega), 3,654 BRT, hits a mine laid on 19 December and sinks

    German auxiliary submarine hunter UJ 1113 / KUJ 7, 970 BRT, hits a mine laid on 19 December and sinks

    German auxiliary submarine hunter UJ 1116 / KUJ 11, 970 BRT, hits a mine laid on 19 December and sinks

    German auxiliary submarine hunter UJ 1702 / KUJ 16, 970 BRT, hits a mine laid on 19 December and sinks

    German minesweeper R 402, 140 t, hits a mine laid on 19 December and sinks

    Characteristics
    Class and type Saphir-class submarine

    Displacement

    761 long tons (773 t) (surfaced)

    925 long tons (940 t) (submerged)

    Length 65.9 m (216 ft)

    Beam 7.1 m (23 ft)

    Draught 4.3 m (14 ft)

    Installed power

    2 × 550 shp (410 kW) (electrical)

    2 × 650 shp (480 kW) (diesel)

    Propulsion

    2 electrical engines

    2 diesel

    Speed

    Surfaced: 12 knots (22 km/h; 14 mph)

    Underwater: 9 knots (17 km/h; 10 mph)

    Range

    7.000 nmi (12.964 km; 8.055 mi) at 7.5 knots (13.9 km/h; 8.6 mph)

    Submerged: 80 nmi (150 km; 92 mi) at 4 knots (7.4 km/h; 4.6 mph)

    Test depth 80 m (260 ft)

    Complement 42

    Armament

    3 × 550 mm (21.7 in) torpedo tubes

    2 × 400 mm (15.7 in) torpedo tubes

    1 × 75 mm (3 in) deck gun

    1 × 13.2 mm (0.52 in) machine gun

    2 × 8 mm (0.31 in) machine guns

    32 naval mines

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  5. I took a family cruise in an Aegis cruiser. At one point they ship showed us a
    demonstration of an emergency stop of forward progress. This was accomplished in a very short distance. I believe the ship was able to vary the prop pitch to actually be in reverse thrust. With this feature, the shaft rotation is always in one direction.

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  6. As for small arms, the plans for the Bagley class of destroyers (built in the 1930s) show a small arms locker just outside the hatch leading between the wardroom and most of the officers' quarters. The locker contains a dozen rifles and pistols, along with some ammunition, holsters, etc.; each of the officers has a key to this locker. Somewhere much more "out of the way" in the vessel would be secure storage for the rifles (or submachine guns, shotguns, etc.), bayonets and ammunition for the ship's landing/boarding force.

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  7. I find it plausible that Admiral Somerville could intercept and sink Hiryu and Soryu but that the admittedly very low probability positive aftermath fails on the assumption that Nagumo doesn't know what happened. The two Japanese carrier aren't going to be mysteriously sunk without a trace. They would radioe Nagumo and tell him they are under surface attack and plead for help. This is what is known as flaming datum. Nagumo now knows where Somerville's forces are and reacts accordingly, Nagumo's most likely reaction would be to send a surface force to assist the two carriers and then withdraw the rest of Kido Butai away the British while preparing for a morning strike. The mostly like outcome is going to be a trade of the British surface attack force for the Hiryu and Soryu and maybe he bags the two British carriers as well. I would call that a positive exchange for IJN. It would put a crimp in Japanese futures plans. Midway probably would not happen but is that bad thing?

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  8. So Drach, when did you first meet your old friend Square Cubed Law?
    You seem to know each other very well and I hope Mrs Drach doesn't get too upset with the two of you talking the night away😁

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  9. Well on the Germany potentially having a fleet in the Washington treaty era, the Germans had determined that the 305 mm ships could be upgraded to a 320 mm and the shell handling system still handle it when they wanted to go bigger on the Königs but was too far along to change barbette's, so any of the still have Derrflinger/König scenarios they may have been upgraded if they couldn't be outright replaced for a long time because of the treaty

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  10. A long shot but does anyone know of a site or book that would have the deck plans for a Derfflinger class? Always wanted to take a look for myself at their compartmentalization below decks. Iron Dog has always been my favourite WW1 ship.

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  11. Follow-up question about the sails catching fire on steam powered ships- DId the crew of the HMS By Jove just not CARE about the sails catching fire and thus allow the ship to operate without baffles or filters in the funnels and never wetting the sails down?

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  12. On the topic of Wikipedia, one thing I've found to be immensely useful is to check native-language pages for a given thing, as they'll nearly always have far longer, more in-depth, and more accurate info than the English version. For me, usually this is for WWII-era military gear (planes, ships, tanks, small arms, etc), and I've found the difference to be especially notable with Italian and Japanese things. Even just basic stuff, like proper designations/nomenclature; many Italian small arms' names being very "Americanized" in English material, the proper spacing in German designations (Bf 109, MG 42, etc) being ignored, Japanese info being wrong seemingly due to mixed up mistranslations passed around for ages as fact, and so on.

    I suppose it's often the stuff that's less to do with specific historical events and "sources", but rather basic linguistic/national standards.

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  13. I have official US Navy sketches (at least I believe them to be–they have stamps and seals on them) of various uniforms from the Barbary Wars until the first world war. I can provide some scans of these if you would be interested.

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  14. I wasn't previously aware of William IV's work as Lord High Admiral. It sounds as though he had a similar effect as his elder brother, Prince Frederick, had as commander-in-chief of the army – unable to take up a field command for political reasons, Frederick was able to use the HRH in front of his name as a battering ram to drive through necessary reforms.

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  15. Regarding axis ship names, Have a look at the current Italian Navy; Trieste, Cavour, Giuseppe Garibaldi, Andrea Doria, Caio Duillio…

    A while back I asked Drach about ships with names that could be offensive to allies, bearing in mind that there is or has been USS Bonholme Richard, USS John Paul Jones, HMS Temeraire, HMS Victorious, HMS Agincourt. The Brits named a class of Sub the Trafalgar class, the States have the Ticonderoga class. I could go on, but generally as Drach said it's going to come down to how offensive the name will be to friends, enemies and your own populace…

    I doubt we will see JMSDFS Kamikaze or FGS Bismarck anytime soon. But there is an Schleswig-Holstein

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  16. Regarding the paperwork questions, I suspect that being at peace increases the volume of paperwork substantially. In war, you can judge officers by combat results. In peace, you mostly just have the spit-and-polish stuff to go on.

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  17. I'll chime in on the wikipedia kerfuffle.
    wikipedia is a great resource *as a starting point*.
    it is, like any encyclopedia, a compendium,
    with the added wrinkle of being user editable.

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  18. 02:31:46 – Drach, as an observation, in recent time (post your channels time I know, but I think its not too dissimilar in concept to earlier times), the big change I saw in paperwork is that as smaller Computers and PCs came in, the admin departments and personnel in each division started disappearing as the personnel could do the work themselves. I imagine as the general education levels of officers, then petty officers, then sailors in general became, paperwork both becomes more common but less of a problem as more people are involved with it.

    Constellation CV64 had something like 200 fewer admin types off of the original crew number by the 2000 when I was aboard her, all of them replaced by PCs and other general automation.

    second, the big thing now is the internet, when I got out in 2007 they were starting to reduce the admin departments further by shifting more of the personnel ashore and handling things via direct access or email and chat to a facility that could support an entire region or the whole navy. i imagine in previous eras it was much the same as communications technology changed things as the ships became less and less alone in the world.

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  19. Think there was a question about using a smokestack as a mast. I thought of the comet a British 4 side wheeler did use its stack as a mast setting a square sail. 1812 said to be comercial success

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  20. Well one name I’d definitely pass on for modern German ships is defiantly Bülcher….not because of the guy who fought at Waterloo but because the last two ships named Blûcher were sunk because of bad handling in battle. So let’s just say very unlucky !

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