33 thoughts on “The Drydock – Episode 228 (Live Segment) – 22nd January 2023”
My admiration for your stamina and off-the-cuff knowledge continues to grow. Not to mention your delivery. Four and a half hours! I could only dip in for short periods during the live 'cast so I look forward to catching up this week.
On the Japanese taking HI and blowing up much of the West Coast facilities, there is one factor you didn’t address, which would have a major ripple effect. If the US got kicked that hard, it wouldn’t be a Europe first priority in fighting the war. The US goal would be to keep the UK in the war and perhaps the N. Africa campaign to protect the Suez. However the Soviets wouldn’t be getting something like 40 % of their air force and something like 85% of the ground transport. The Soviets wouldn’t be in Berlin in April 45 and certainly wouldn’t be starting a war with Japan until after the defeat of Germany sometime in 1946 at the earliest.
When it comes to WW2 aircraft one of the best, and often overlooked, is the P-40 Warhawk. First flown in 1938 the base structure was proven to be solid an it seemed to take upgrades to benefit.
The Brexit type questions annoy me. In my experience also its not much different. A little longer but that is all. People have to work out one little thing, it works BOTH ways. Could the EU make it very difficult for Brits to travel to the EU? Most certainly so, but the Brits could also, perfectly legally, respond in kind. As a result neither party does so.
As far as I can see currently, there are few real differences in travel to the EU from the UK. I certainly have no issues with port fees and permissions or anything like that for my boat, it just takes a little longer than it used to is all. That and I cannot stay moored for more than 90 days, but as I do not tend to moor up in a harbour that is not my home harbour for more than a week it is not an issue.
Drach, first thanks for the answer you gave to my question on the rebuild Revenges. I messed up the wording though because what I was thinking about was to bring the Revenges in line with Renowns as in make them battlecruiser-ish. Remove the aft super firing turret, up the machinery and aim for one Hood and 7 Renown types strong Battlecruiser fleet
@14:00 you are picking close to land to obscure radar. but there is a more likely event that does that, if you are up north. Snow. you can't see trough snow with radar. (heavy rain might also be a problem for the older types but snow still is a very limiting factor in modern radar errays.)
With the airship/battlecruiser question I could see a much more active use of the all or nothing armor scheme with 3 separate citadels in the centerline section of the ship. Lower centerline rearward citadel for propulsion, fully centered magazines with auto shuttered conveyors using mechanical trip switches for flashdoor opening and closing going to the various guns based on the sides, top, and bottom centerlines of the ship and firecontrol sections nearby, and then a third centerline forward bridge. Everything else aside from power and waterlines being basically unarmoured aside from small caliber ammunition.
As always, thank you for sharing your knowledge and information with us. I have only one complaint. I miss the old background that you recorded in. When you got to a point that I already knew, I would look at your shelves, and try to figure out what they were. I identified models from "StarTrek, Star Wars, and perhaps Babylon 5". I would like a fun Friday about your models, both historical and fantastic. You have done videos about your gaming fleets. I imagine many of us would enjoy it.
Here’s a “what-f”: Let’s stipulate that the air-minded staff officers prevailed upon the IJN ministers, and the money, material and other resources were used to build 4-more Shokaku-class fleet carriers, instead of 3-Yamatos? Thoughts?
20/20 hindsight tells me that the likelihood of A) Japan successfully launching a paratrooper attack and B) The US military on Hawaii would not have much trouble repelling an invasion…Japan had little if of a fleet train to re-supply/re-I Force any sustained operation against Hawaii….Even invading and HOLDING Midway is a stretch…None of the hypothetical question posed fits with Japanese doctrine or strategy.
Germany would have to have been successful in holding NW Africa ( former French colonies ), and have sufficient maritime patrol asserts to reconnoiter the sea lines of communication between the Azores and its approaches. No doubt a large logistical and military challenge.
There is a question that has been bothering me about range finding. If you know the identity of the ship, and therefore it's length, and there are many ways to find that out, do you not know it's distance by applying square of the distance given it's apparent size? Even at an angle, that would seem to be easy to calculate.
3:00:00 and you get the AA gun people spends billions on developing before the aircraft. And around WW 2 or a bit later you get radars good enough to target and take out incoming shells 😺
3:22:30 – Thanx for answering my question about the cruisers with all the guns; I've gotta admit that, when I was designing them, I was sure they'd've been a lot more useful than it turns out they'd've been (I guess I was mostly thinking of stuff like overkill shore bombardment, or potentially having these all-the-guns cruisers in the U.S. battleline at the Battle of Friday the 13th and spraying down the Japanese battlecruisers with hilarious quantities of 6-and-8-inch shells – and, thinking about it, 5-inch shells, too, for that matter, given that, looking back through the SSR files, the 20-gun CA and 32-gun CL have 12 and 9 secondary-battery 5"/38s per broadside, respectively). I wonder if this puts paid to my 9,000-ton antiaircraft cruiser with a broadside of 40 5"/38s (out of a total of 44) in quad turrets…
The story of this disappointed boarder guard reminded me of the opposite effect I had on an airport security person. He found a tiny knife on my keychain. About three cm long when the blade was closed with a 3/4 inch blade. As he held the thing up after I surrendered the knife he commented that a lot of people would have missed it. I told him I had carried it on me when I flew to Atlanta, when I flew to Honolulu, and when I flew to Kauai, but he was the one to find it. He broke into a huge grin, I probably made his day.
SS United States is quite the oddity as far as Navy auxiliary transport goes. I don't think there was much that could give chase deep ocean let alone have the endurance to run her down when she was new. It means something when things about a ship like this were full on CLASSIFIED. This would be right at the edge of your time period to learn about. 38kts wasn't even running things at the danger limit. Really shameful end to meet for how much thought was put in.
Imagine trying to chase this down before the ballistic subs of the 60's-70's. DD's getting slammed by waves while this just pushes through full blast in a fogbank. An absolute meme platform for theory crafting ideas, like raiders. 1000's of troops across the ocean in three days, plus some non-insignificant equipment.
I overlooked this ship until part-time-explorer made a video on it recently. Still is the both ways record holder for regular service full sized transatlantic liners when you cut through the BS.
On the weather conditions a storm would also likely reduce Iowa to a six gun ship as the forard turret proved to be unusable in post war exercises in heavy weather
Having seen VIC 32 in the Caledonian Canal I was intrigued. Why did the RN use vessels based on the Clyde puffer(think Vital Spark)as inshore supply vessels and for other purposes rather than purpose designed ships in WWI,WWII and beyond and what was their history?
Regarding the conference in San Diego there are some interesting boats available to stay on instead of a traditional hotel if you want to go full naval.
US armoured cruisers vs Von Spee we have to remember that Scharnhorst and Gneisenau along with the light cruisers could hit their targets whilst at the time the USN given their performance during the Spanish-American war would struggle to hit the side of a barn from the inside. As for a 30,000 ton shore bombardment cruiser why not build 3 or 4 upgraded Erebus class monitors at 10,000 tons each thus giving that lovely 14",15" or 16" firepower at a range that a 6" cannot reach and having greater speed and AA than an Erebus class
Irn-Bru is AMERICAN? Irn-Bru was first sold under the name IRONBREW and described as "The Ideal American drink" by the New York US manufacturers and chemicals firm Maas & Waldstein. Scots gave it class.
My admiration for your stamina and off-the-cuff knowledge continues to grow. Not to mention your delivery. Four and a half hours! I could only dip in for short periods during the live 'cast so I look forward to catching up this week.
Look who is the handsomest, besteses, awesomest, Naval historian on YouTube.
On the Japanese taking HI and blowing up much of the West Coast facilities, there is one factor you didn’t address, which would have a major ripple effect. If the US got kicked that hard, it wouldn’t be a Europe first priority in fighting the war. The US goal would be to keep the UK in the war and perhaps the N. Africa campaign to protect the Suez. However the Soviets wouldn’t be getting something like 40 % of their air force and something like 85% of the ground transport. The Soviets wouldn’t be in Berlin in April 45 and certainly wouldn’t be starting a war with Japan until after the defeat of Germany sometime in 1946 at the earliest.
When it comes to WW2 aircraft one of the best, and often overlooked, is the P-40 Warhawk. First flown in 1938 the base structure was proven to be solid an it seemed to take upgrades to benefit.
Well on the islands I'm not sure how Germany gets Azores plausibly,
Canary islands maybe they are a little more all in with helping Franco during the Spanish civil war and are gifted them before WWII
The Brexit type questions annoy me. In my experience also its not much different. A little longer but that is all. People have to work out one little thing, it works BOTH ways. Could the EU make it very difficult for Brits to travel to the EU? Most certainly so, but the Brits could also, perfectly legally, respond in kind. As a result neither party does so.
As far as I can see currently, there are few real differences in travel to the EU from the UK. I certainly have no issues with port fees and permissions or anything like that for my boat, it just takes a little longer than it used to is all. That and I cannot stay moored for more than 90 days, but as I do not tend to moor up in a harbour that is not my home harbour for more than a week it is not an issue.
Drach, first thanks for the answer you gave to my question on the rebuild Revenges. I messed up the wording though because what I was thinking about was to bring the Revenges in line with Renowns as in make them battlecruiser-ish. Remove the aft super firing turret, up the machinery and aim for one Hood and 7 Renown types strong Battlecruiser fleet
@14:00 you are picking close to land to obscure radar. but there is a more likely event that does that, if you are up north. Snow. you can't see trough snow with radar. (heavy rain might also be a problem for the older types but snow still is a very limiting factor in modern radar errays.)
I love the IJG shirt, where'd ya get it ? You don't often see Imperial Japanese Goose shirts anymore, gotta get one too !!
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With the airship/battlecruiser question I could see a much more active use of the all or nothing armor scheme with 3 separate citadels in the centerline section of the ship. Lower centerline rearward citadel for propulsion, fully centered magazines with auto shuttered conveyors using mechanical trip switches for flashdoor opening and closing going to the various guns based on the sides, top, and bottom centerlines of the ship and firecontrol sections nearby, and then a third centerline forward bridge. Everything else aside from power and waterlines being basically unarmoured aside from small caliber ammunition.
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Didn't catch this live, but the N3 and G3 were British battleship and battle cruiser designs that were never built.
As always, thank you for sharing your knowledge and information with us. I have only one complaint. I miss the old background that you recorded in. When you got to a point that I already knew, I would look at your shelves, and try to figure out what they were. I identified models from "StarTrek, Star Wars, and perhaps Babylon 5". I would like a fun Friday about your models, both historical and fantastic. You have done videos about your gaming fleets. I imagine many of us would enjoy it.
In what scenario would a Bismarck-class BB find itself in a close-range engagement with an Iowa?
Here’s a “what-f”: Let’s stipulate that the air-minded staff officers prevailed upon the IJN ministers, and the money, material and other resources were used to build 4-more Shokaku-class fleet carriers, instead of 3-Yamatos? Thoughts?
Congrats to 400.000 subs!
20/20 hindsight tells me that the likelihood of A) Japan successfully launching a paratrooper attack and B) The US military on Hawaii would not have much trouble repelling an invasion…Japan had little if of a fleet train to re-supply/re-I Force any sustained operation against Hawaii….Even invading and HOLDING Midway is a stretch…None of the hypothetical question posed fits with Japanese doctrine or strategy.
Germany would have to have been successful in holding NW Africa ( former French colonies ), and have sufficient maritime patrol asserts to reconnoiter the sea lines of communication between the Azores and its approaches. No doubt a large logistical and military challenge.
There is a question that has been bothering me about range finding. If you know the identity of the ship, and therefore it's length, and there are many ways to find that out, do you not know it's distance by applying square of the distance given it's apparent size? Even at an angle, that would seem to be easy to calculate.
I don’t care what quality you stream at. The audio makes the show.
Drachinefel,,,,,,,public enemy no.1. Book smuggler. Too funny.
A leetle bit disappointed that you didn't name your home virtual assistant "Holly".
3:00:00 and you get the AA gun people spends billions on developing before the aircraft.
And around WW 2 or a bit later you get radars good enough to target and take out incoming shells 😺
10:06 man a possibility of penetration that sounds a lot like my marriage.
3:22:30 – Thanx for answering my question about the cruisers with all the guns; I've gotta admit that, when I was designing them, I was sure they'd've been a lot more useful than it turns out they'd've been (I guess I was mostly thinking of stuff like overkill shore bombardment, or potentially having these all-the-guns cruisers in the U.S. battleline at the Battle of Friday the 13th and spraying down the Japanese battlecruisers with hilarious quantities of 6-and-8-inch shells – and, thinking about it, 5-inch shells, too, for that matter, given that, looking back through the SSR files, the 20-gun CA and 32-gun CL have 12 and 9 secondary-battery 5"/38s per broadside, respectively). I wonder if this puts paid to my 9,000-ton antiaircraft cruiser with a broadside of 40 5"/38s (out of a total of 44) in quad turrets…
The story of this disappointed boarder guard reminded me of the opposite effect I had on an airport security person. He found a tiny knife on my keychain. About three cm long when the blade was closed with a 3/4 inch blade. As he held the thing up after I surrendered the knife he commented that a lot of people would have missed it. I told him I had carried it on me when I flew to Atlanta, when I flew to Honolulu, and when I flew to Kauai, but he was the one to find it. He broke into a huge grin, I probably made his day.
It only takes me a couple of days to get through these long form drydocks. But its worth it.
SS United States is quite the oddity as far as Navy auxiliary transport goes. I don't think there was much that could give chase deep ocean let alone have the endurance to run her down when she was new. It means something when things about a ship like this were full on CLASSIFIED. This would be right at the edge of your time period to learn about. 38kts wasn't even running things at the danger limit. Really shameful end to meet for how much thought was put in.
Imagine trying to chase this down before the ballistic subs of the 60's-70's. DD's getting slammed by waves while this just pushes through full blast in a fogbank. An absolute meme platform for theory crafting ideas, like raiders. 1000's of troops across the ocean in three days, plus some non-insignificant equipment.
I overlooked this ship until part-time-explorer made a video on it recently. Still is the both ways record holder for regular service full sized transatlantic liners when you cut through the BS.
On the weather conditions a storm would also likely reduce Iowa to a six gun ship as the forard turret proved to be unusable in post war exercises in heavy weather
Having seen VIC 32 in the Caledonian Canal I was intrigued. Why did the RN use vessels based on the Clyde puffer(think Vital Spark)as inshore supply vessels and for other purposes rather than purpose designed ships in WWI,WWII and beyond and what was their history?
Regarding the conference in San Diego there are some interesting boats available to stay on instead of a traditional hotel if you want to go full naval.
US armoured cruisers vs Von Spee we have to remember that Scharnhorst and Gneisenau along with the light cruisers could hit their targets whilst at the time the USN given their performance during the Spanish-American war would struggle to hit the side of a barn from the inside. As for a 30,000 ton shore bombardment cruiser why not build 3 or 4 upgraded Erebus class monitors at 10,000 tons each thus giving that lovely 14",15" or 16" firepower at a range that a 6" cannot reach and having greater speed and AA than an Erebus class
Irn-Bru is AMERICAN?
Irn-Bru was first sold under the name IRONBREW and described as "The Ideal American drink" by the New York US manufacturers and chemicals firm Maas & Waldstein.
Scots gave it class.
Poor audio in this set up. Distracting. Listen to your other ones. That said I love your work!!