The CWD problem – with the Missouri Conservation Department | 100% Wild Podcast
CWD update – Matt and Tim sit down with Jason Sumners, 10th Director of the Missouri Department of Conservation, and Jason Isabelle MDC Cervid Program Supervisor to discuss the CWD problem.
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Do ya’ll think that maybe it has became extremely expensive to hunt compared to 40 years ago. I still hunt as much as I did back then and I have feeders and plant food plots. sSo there are way more deer. These diseases may be nature’s way of getting the population back to a sustainable number. When you grow food and feed the deer the population in that area goes up substantially.
You and they will never get rid of it! Its just stupid try! When Wisconsin tried it ruined everything about hunting for me and soon to be my kids. I've always dreamed to be able to take both my kids out in the woods when i was out growing up inthe woods in the mid 90s to 02 when the dnr ruined it. Just DUMB
Finally someone with a platform asking the right questions. Kudos Matt & Tim
How many deer have died in Missouri from cwd is my question. They're finding cwd in whitetails that have been killed by hunters but how many have they found that actually died from cwd?
<1% of infection rate of deer that were healthy, or presumed healthy. Spending lots of resources on something that will never be eliminated. Someone somewhere is creating a business out of CWD. Just say’n. Reminds me of modern day Covid.
Good on you guys inviting them – I respect the guys coming here and giving their thoughts behind CWD – I'll pose some thought's here as I did at the Higbee meeting back in January of this year – When a single positive was determined in Randolph County that was a voluntary submission – If you know nothing about CWD – Please research Cwd origins in Colorado to give yourself an understanding of how it was diagnosed and released by their Department of Wildlife into the Wild, it'll shock you I promise.
When these guys (MDC) say their mitigation circle around a positive is a 2-mile radius remember they are actually saying 36-square miles (that's how many there are in a 2-mile circle – if my old math is correct, you'd take 2 x 3.14 PI x Squared so = 36?)) either way my point is they use 2-mile radius because it sounds much less than saying 36-sq miles.
You can NOT kill our way out of CWD – look at what Wisconsin done when they found CWD 20+ years ago – it's here to stay – only way this makes sense is if there are no deer or very few per sq mile the spread will be less? – simply because there are less Deer. – These guys do Not cite any studies that this method actually works either – this disease is caused by or is in the environment, meaning it's always been here and always will be – to their point at what % of infection or spread – they can only go by positives versus the number killed – doesn't mean they killed the right ones or that they missed a number of positives. They are simply killing the symptom and not the cause.
Their mitigation efforts for Randolph County were to kill an extra 100 deer per the 36-sq miles (nearly 3 per) when I asked if they would only take 3 per sq miles I was told NO – they DON'T CARE where they come from inside that 36-sq miles – you would think they would concentrate on the immediate area around that single positive in Randolph County, but they do NOT. – Additionally, they would prefer to take bucks in their mitigation efforts, their reasoning is that bucks travel further and more often, so their believe is bucks transmit this disease more than a doe does.
Here's some other disturbing thoughts on the mitigation, if your neighbor owns 5-acres next to your hunting tract, they can give the department permission to do mitigation there – and IF, that person hates deer, or you they can tell the MDC to kill everyone they can find -I posed this question, asked if they would limit the number per site and was told NO – again they don't care where the total comes from inside the mitigation zone.
for those that don't know, a square mile equals 640-acres, in your hunting area how many different landowners are there to make up those 640-acres? – your neighbor has a direct bearing on your Deer herd that uses your property, because they also are on them and other neighbor's as well, you'd be hard pressed to find a continuous 640 acre tract these days –
For those that don't know, to MAINTAIN a Deer herd of 25 animals per sq mile (640-ACRES) – you can only loose 4 Does by ANY METHOD – meaning road kills, disease, predation, Hunters, etc ONLY 4 to maintain 25 Deer per sq mile or 640-acres. additionally, only about 4 out of 10 fawns will live to be 18-months of age, again how many acres do you own and how many landowners are in your sq mile 640-acre of land? – This information came directly from Lonnie Hansen the Missouri Deer Biologist at a meeting in Harrisburg, Mo many years ago.
As it pertains to not allowing baiting or minerals because it will concentrate Deer and make them more susceptible to spreading CWD should it be in your local herd, MDC mitigation efforts are done via a corn pile – concentrating the Deer so they can easily shoot them – but did they shoot the right one? maybe they shot a healthy Deer and a positive wasn't shot – no way to know, because it must be dead before they can test it. Maybe the landowner doesn't want Bucks shot – when this question was raised in Higbee, the answer was they respect the wishes of the landowner and do everything in their power not to shoot a buck, but also claim at the time of year the mitigation is done, it's hard to tell? really? at a corn pile – again, they would rather shoot a buck because they believe it poses a greater risk of spreading CWD.
Here's my last thought – the majority of land these days are sold for recreational use – at the top of that recreational use is the Whitetail Deer – consider that when thinking about mitigation efforts? – again please do some research and make up your own mind as to the always fatal mindset and that if we don't do something there won't be a Deer herd in the future for our kids, that's MDC pitch in all of their meetings.
Sorry for the long post!
I think its funny they cant even say banning baiting helps stop the Spread of cwd .this is why hunters don't believe them .because it Doesn't
Cwd is a bunch of BS…. its always been around.. we only found it because we went looking for it. In Missouri less than 1% were found with cwd THAT WAS ALREADY KILLED!!! show me a deer alive with cwd…. oh wait you cant…. just a money grab…
hard to believe all this bs.
So if cwd can never be gotten rid of, is the plan to just maintain a very low deer density forever? Is the agriculture industry behind this in any way?
Washington State is implementing rules this year. I personally think it's a crock of shit! WDFW in Olympia says the new laws/rules are to stop the spread of CWD. They go on to say
"just like Idaho, Montana"etc. REALLY, HOW IS IT WORKING IN THOSE STATES? Obviously it isn't, we have it now. Wash state says you now have to debone your deer, turn in the head with 3" of neck meat, in some areasI don't think so. Good luck with that. It's a joke