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Lehi and Nephi were scribes! A Josephite or even Manassite scribal school that wrote in Egyptian existed all the way back to Abraham, was passed down to Joseph of Egypt, and down to Lehi and Nephi, explains Book Of Mormon Scholar Noel B. Reynolds.
This scribal school was in the original tradition of the Patriarchs, as opposed to the Judahite school, which “harmonized” various Judahite teachings. The Josephite scribal school produced the Brass Plates and the Book of Mormon, while the Judahite school, which was unfamiliar with the Egyptian language, produced the Old Testament.
Joseph of Egypt flourished in Egypt because of his scribal training!
Mormon and Moroni were scribal school boys at a very young age.
Where was Abraham’s “Ur?”
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Abraham spent time with Noah, Shem and learned from them and Noah brought the history( written) from time of Adam. Your guest suggests an oral tradition written by scribes( Jewish). Confused when Abrahams learning from Noah etc would have been lost. this would have become completely lost! Suppose diluted during 400 yrs in Egypt under their influence!And, All Adam’s records brought with Noah were prior to Egypt!! So quests idea of all written language had to have been Egyptian as that was only written language? Explain! Would not all of Israel prior to division have same history! Iam just confused no doubt! Didn’t listen to end as just getting more confused! Can see 10 tribes coming up with own history once divided! But can’t see where Jews felt they had oral tradition only!
People were writing on slate when my mum was a girl
Paper was never cheap and for teaching children to form their letters and numbers you started with slate
Another great episode, Greg! I'd love to see you do one with John Gee too.
interesting! Lots of new ideas I had not heard before. loved it!
I am writing this before listening all the way through, so maybe it is addressed later, but I am now wondering how much the role of scribe played in the family feud of who should lead after Lehi passes away. Also, who should lead between the Nephites and the Mulekites. Evidence would suggest that the Mulekites were illiterate. Obviously, priesthood plays the primary role, but I wonder now about the role of scribe.
Question: is it possible that Joseph actually got the pearl of great price from the brass plates rather than the papyrus? Seems possible if he used the gold plates and the plates of nephi for the BOM and knew one of the three nephites ‘Nephi’ himself and had access to the repository.
THIS OPENS A GREAT MANY NEW LINES OF THOUGHT. WOW. 😊
This gives me another reason to more deeply appreciate the Book of Mormon. That seems to be happing frequently for me.
… yes… "an iron pen with the point of a diamond"
I didn’t know Sylvester Stallone was a member of the church!
Great interview
President Reynolds!!!! You got President Reynolds!!???!!?
I served in Ft. Lauderdale with Pres Reynolds. He gave trainings and firesides all the time on this stuff. The only person i respect more then this man is the prophet (of course).
How about Laman and LEMUEL did they have the same training
11:00 one is only a prophet when they act and speak by the Holy Spirit. A prophet is not a position, prophets have fruits.
Douglas Petrovich has done great work on proto-Hebrew and makes a great case that Moses likely wrote in it and that it may have actually been developed by Joseph. Noel doesn't seem to be aware of this recent research.
Not sure Noel is aware of Don Bradley's research into the Lost Pages of the BOM, in which he alleges the Brass Plates were indeed made by Joseph.
I wonder if Laban knew Egyptian, referring to Laban who had the brass plates before Nephi got them from the possession of Laban, or did Laban only have the brass plates for its metallic value in his vault? The brass plates may have been stolen from Lehi long before they left Jerusalem, so Lehi had his sons get them before coming to the promised land? Could this be?
I had never realized how the phrase taught in the "learning of my father" was so packed with meaning!
Terah was with Abraham when he died. “He migrated with Abram, Sarai, and Lot (Nahor following them later) from Ur of the Chaldees to Charran (Haran), where he died (Gen. 11:24, 26, 31; Josh. 24:2; 1 Chr. 1:26; Abr. 1:30; 2:1–6).” Bible Dictionary.
I loved this discussion.. very informative and interesting! Thank you for having Noel Reynolds on 🙂
There is so much I learned from this discussion…very testimony supporting!