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This is NOT a review of the Mario movie. This is a video about why people started enjoying bad movies. Feel free to watch Dunkey’s video for a pretty close estimation to why I think it’s bad: Mario Dunkview – https://youtu.be/OuJ4Uisp0Bo
There are people who ENJOYED the Emoji Movie. There are people who enjoyed Pixels, the Fantastic Beasts movies, the Matrix sequels, the Ghostbusters female remake, the Suicide Squad movies, all the bad Star Wars movies and sequels… the list goes on and on. This is not just the result of Disney and Nintendo making cash grabs at the box office — people actually LIKE the experience these films offer. What is that enjoyment? Here are my six theories.
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0:00 – “KARTS!”
1:38 – the One Piece question
3:22 – the Atrioc question
4:06 – #1 mario
10:58 – #2 fifa
11:46 – #3 fantastic beasts
12:46 – #4 pacman
14:28 – #5 blues clues
17:00 – #6 star wars 3
19:42 – (#7 sharknado)
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me (who loves call of duty) : ….so what kind of new way to experience is this for me?… (=___=)''
Karts? Karts!? B-but where is the inclusion politics? Where is THE MESSAGE!?
I feel like most people watch the Mario movie for example, just for silliness. They want that bit of nostalgia, laughing and enjoying something kind of dumb.
I like seeing movies from a storytelling or cinematographic point of view, when they're meant for it. I love being analytical, appreciating how cool the scenes look, being genuinely surprised and moved by the story.
But a lot of movies aren't meant for that nowadays. So you have to learn when to switch off that movie nerd mindset, and just chuckle and get excited for funny, sometimes cringey references and jokes. You have to treat it, how you treated silly cartoons when you were younger
Movie reviewers are fundamentally different than the average movie consumer. Movie reviewer‘s watch every movie that they can watch while normal consumers only watch the movies that they want to. This means that the average consumer will see a couple movies in theaters in a year. While a movie reviewer watches hundreds of movies in theaters in a year. And they even watch the movie more than once. Something the average consumer is not going to do (aside from kids). Movie reviewers perspective on movies is different because they have more points of reference while watching movies. So a scene that the movie reviewer sees as clearly cliché or lazy might not be noticed by normal people because they haven’t watched as many movies. This is why movie reviewers are so out of touch with the normal person. That’s the main reason why audience and critic scores are usually opposite of each other. Critics just aren’t good at reviewing movies based off of what the average person is going to like. When the critic recommends a super artsy movie, but the audience doesn’t like it. I think it’s because the critic is looking for something different while normal audiences don’t need to look for something different because they haven’t seen as many movies. It’s my opinion that critics are cursed to find weird movies, enjoyable because they’ve just watched too many movies.
Critics just don’t seem to be able to have fun with dumb movies. Critics are looking for new interesting ideas while audiences are just looking for a fun silly movie to watch with there whole family. Critics and audiences just aren’t going to agree because they are fundamentally looking at movies in a different way. One group sees it as art and the other sees it as a fun getaway with there family or significant other. This is why, depending on the type of person you are you’re either going to agree with one of the other, but usually not both.
this is so insightful and interesting!! i feel this way about so many movies recently and it's so difficult for me to come to a balance about whether i've just become an insufferable critic or if my gut feel on some of these things are right. there are so many movies recently that people have LOVED and were just so.. blatantly bad to me from a tonal perspective, a story perspective – all of that. (*cough* the batman *cough*) I really love your analyses and get so excited to hear about your takes, really cool stuff 🙂
I wanted to ask, as a person who has these typa ideas too and doesn't fully know how to bring them together for a script? Do you have any tips? Any particular process/ way you come to these conclusions/ ideas? Idk if you're ever planning to make a vid like that lmfejaiona
Yeah, I didn't go watch the mario movie for the complex plot. But because it's made with the same love that the games are made from. It's a mario game in movie form. And it's done well.
Can’t we just enjoy a movie that makes people happy. The Mario movie flowed Easter eggs and references well for once and wasn’t ashamed of its not identity. Unlike Fantastic Beast or the new Star Wars movies, Mario functions as an overall film with engaging scenes, yes the movie is flawed but it gets the job done in not being boring or pointless.
Also your a One Piece meat rider fan so why do you feel the need to feel justified. Also your editing is so bad it’s appallingly obvious your using IMovie
The Mario movie is loved because it gives what it's demographics targets want. One are kids under 10 that like pretty colors and the other adults over 35 who grew up playing Mario and still love it.
"Dos good writing cost more per word?"
Does good food cost more per bite? Yes you have to pay people and talented writers with experience are rare (expensive) so Hollywood is just using "co-writers" and YTers as their project leads. There are no good movies to watch – the question has been asked a million times if people actually like these movies or if they're just bored.
you are stop on stop on with the What would i feel like in this character shoes one (for me). There was a star trek deep space 9 eposide that i would when a character lost their father do to time stuff (but they remained after a random amout of time that doubled next to them for 5 secs) I remember crying for the final 15 mins because I would be destroyed if this were to happened to me. I dont get excited however only cry,
Who gets to say what’s a good movie or a bad movie? There’s no right or wrong way to do it, but people have an obsession with hating every new movie or piece of media that comes out
it's cuz mario is our damn childhoods and we don't care that they are making bad excuses to use the karts, I want to see the karts, cuz I played mario kart, and I can enjoy the nostalgia that comes from seeing the karts, instead of saying no it doesn't make sense, it's a movie, based on and set in the world of mario a video game where a plumber jumps on turtles and whatever goombas are to save the princess from the big turtle that breathes fire, if it made sense, it wouldn't be Mario
this explanes a lot why some movies just dont work for me
my mom is literally number 6. We watched some italian movie about the guy who invented the Vespa (forgot his name), and I thought it was very cheesy, corny, tropey and predictable. (Which I think is kinda weird when you create a story from true to life, which typically doesn't follow these structures). But boy she was crying in the sad scenes when I didn't feel anything (even though some of these things happened in real life, like dealing with loss after WW2). At the romance parts she was happy and thought it was cute, I was just internally groaning. But if she feels those things, good for her! I wouldn't want to take it away from anyone if they enjoy it. BUT I also think people who fit well to this category would get the same things from good movies, too. (And then we all would win).
I respect this take, have a few quibbles here or there, basically all of which boil down to linguistic nit picking so…
Hell even my biggest quibbles can be reexamined in a way compatible with it, the issue with 'preachy' movies often isn't that they have bad stories, it's that rarely are they sold as what they are, and the few that are tend not to be as bad
Bruh She-Hulk isn't a gender bend she's her own charecter.
man, your content is so great. thanks
I believe the Mario movie is good in the sense that it doesn't pretend to have great writing or excellent storytelling, focusing more on its relationship with the games it is based on. I doubt that people liked the Rainbow Road scene just because it looks cool… at least for me, that scene is intertwined with hours of races with friends, laughter, and amusing moments. The movie simply pays homage to its source material, without pretending to be anything more or less. For my part, I appreciate the honesty and simplicity once in a while.
For me, when I watched this movie in theaters it had 2 BIG issues that kept me from enjoying it–One, the voice acting and casting is almost universally TERRIBLE, OMG, IT'S SO BAD 😫😫😫. And as someone who is very sensitive when it comes to voices, this was a particular struggle for me. And Two, the pacing was just WAAAAAAAAAY too fast, you had no time to give a shit about anything or anyone because we were already jumping 2 steps ahead 🙄 (Tho I could forgive the pacing if the voice acting wasn't so completely awful)
I wish I watched this Mario Movie as a kid before I became a film snob 😢
I walk into a cinema, open a streaming service, with one goal: to be entertained. A bad story can do that sometimes, and good stories can fail to do that for me.
It’s just an entertaining movie that makes you forgot about life for 90 minutes. It’s why the Bayformers films were successful until people got burnt out by the 5th movie.
"Ambient TV" — the elevator music of television!
What a thesis! That makes a great deal of sense. I was particularly moved by this insight that: "It's just a movie. It's an hour and a half. You can do anything you like with it. You don't have to tell a story. It doesn't have to be a story. It can be a philosophical conversation. It can be comedy. It can be anything." I'm also impressed with the cognizance of the different ways that people think and experience things: Stepping away from the "universal person," to see what the particular varieties of person are doing.
Id like to add to the list that bad movies can be experienced as junk food to be indulged. I love a well crafted salad but sometimes indulging in a goofy dumb junky movie can be entertaining. I can overlook the flaws enough to find things to celebrate about it.
I wouldn’t call the movie bad… It was very fun and brought back good memories.
Sometimes you go to the movies to see Dune, sometimes Mario Bros.
It’s simply different genres, sure you can analyse it according to your personal taste in “great movies” which is what some critics do, but if you judge an apple pie based on your tiramisu preferences you will surely be disappointed.
As one of the fabled creatures that sob and cry at every movie no matter how horrible the story is: I definitely do care about storytelling!!! I love storytelling and I love good stories that leave me thinking about theories and the complexity of their world for months if not years BUT if you happen to put blues clues on in front of me I will inadvertently shift my focus to it and somehow end up crying or laughing to it 😅 and I also wanted to note that I feel as if it's not only "what if this happened to me?", I feel like a LOT of times people who feel strong emotions watching movies also seek out a connection; they find a way, ANY way, to connect to the character and relate the situation shown to their own experiences.
You articulated my concern about critics not understanding why I enjoy certain movies and declaring them bad. Even though some are still bad for what they are even trying do. I can now use this as a reference .
Woke critics are so out of touch that simply the absence woke bs has set the bar so low.
I saw the mario cart part as a plot point to beat bowser back to the mushroom kingdom but then he found out that they were on rainbow road and ambushed them i would have been happy if the cart scene was that and done but the fight gave me more and made me happy
With the mario movie, we just wanted a fun movie
And thats what we got. We did not want a realy good movie from a plot or story standpoint.
I love great stories and not so great, but FUN, stories
There is this really good book on a topic like this called “amusing ourselves to death”
Very interesting book, highly recommend
In times like these we just want a good time.
Maybe it’s because people just want to be entertained. Most people don’t care about meticulously crafted stories, or emotional masterpieces. People really don’t like being preached at which seems to be happening increasingly lately. So if a movie, regardless of how “bad” the writing is, doesn’t try to preach a message and just focuses on entertainment, it is taken as a breath of fresh air.
People want to see movies so they can forget about real life for a couple hours.
Oda is dumb. as a young boy I loved good stories, I think How to Train your Dragon is a perfect example of what kids movie could be, it has an AMAZING story AND awesome moments with giant fire breathing dragons, they balance each-other out
I think your analogy of the rotten apple is wrong.
It would be more accurate for someone to say that they would prefer easy Mac and cheese to a gourmet Italian pasta. Especially if they have to put any effort into preparing the food or going to the restaurant.
Yes, easy Mac is cheap and not as nuisances in flavor, but the person who is exhausted would prefer that to the effort it takes to prepare themselves to sit an analyze the nuanced flavor of a more complicated dish. For someone who is constantly dealing with hard life problems, toxic work or home environments, or simply just raising kids all day, a quick, easy, and simple meal (or entertaining movie) is perfect. Sometimes people don’t want to have to worry about fictional character dynamics. They want something predictable. They want something with stupid jokes, easy pay off, or predictable endings because their life is stressful enough.
Yes, the more nuanced and fulfilling meal is probably better, healthier and could be more enjoyable, but some people just need something easy and quick. Something that won’t tax them any more than life has already taxed them that day. Sometimes they just need a quick break from reality.
There is a similar effect with hallmark movies. They are terrible. But, they are optimistic, predictable, and happy. My wife loves them during Christmas time because she knows exactly what is going to happen. She doesn’t have to think or worry about what is going to happen. She can just turn it on and escape from her already stressful life for a couple hours. Then, after that break, she can go about her real life, rejuvenated. She also loves good movies with high stress, unpredictable plot lines, but you need to be in the right mood for that kind of thing.
I don't think #6 is that speculative at all. Almost everyone I know that enjoys movies that way are strong empaths. Hell, sometimes I watch react videos of movies/shows I consider to have bad stories because I like seeing these kinds of people get something emotional out of something I couldn't. My dad and spouse are like this, and I admire them for it. Reacting to every fictional event and character with ""what if this happened to me???" might be silly to me, but at least it lets me know the people I surround myself with have functioning mirror neurons – and there's something comfortable in being with that audience.
I'd rather spend time with them than the online ranting geek screaming "ObJeCtIvElY gOoD" (really emphasizing the "moron" in "oxymoron" here) in my ear all day and tearing others apart for liking something.
I really love this video and from the perspective of the "person with extraordinary emotional reaction" i must say this: you got it like 110% right. I often times find myself enjoying a story that contains character with personality or strugles i can rellate to. Or i tend to feel very strong exitment and happiness during romantic scenes (even not particullary great once) because its something that i never expirienced and my brain subconciously idealize and romanticize. I used to feel very ashamed of this habbit as a fellow story lover and just felt that i was not good enough to enjoy critically labeled "good movies" but thanks to time and videos like this i'm slowly learning that is okay to enjoy all kinds of movies. So i thank you, wish you luck and hope you will make more great videos. Your channel is amazing
This was a SUPER good video. I had a thought about number three after I thought of an interaction I had recently. In order for someone to enjoy something for reason number 3, they would almost certainly have to have enjoyed the thing they want more of for reason number 1. If they genuinely enjoyed the original thing for its story, then they either wouldn't enjoy the new thing if it didn't have a good story, or would enjoy it for its story as well. They wouldn't enjoy it just because it was related of what they liked before unless they just liked the feelings the previous thing gave them, and don't really care about the story of the new thing any more than the old one..
You know sometimes I think about Hardcore Henry. An Objectively Shallow and tasteless movie that only is violence 3D: The Movoe.
But then I remember it was just a good fun time. Even if technically it is a Bad Movie because it lacks a story and a lot of plot holes that are never explained. It is a movie that made me feel joy
because they're not "bad", film critics are just paid off by other film companies. you don't need a 22 minute video to figure that out.
Is this a "change?" I lived through the 80s and there was a planet full of bad movies. There were a few good movies that are remembered.
When CGI started becoming a force in movies, I remember friends saying that every big cgi movie was "a new classic" spoiler, they weren't. If I somehow dredged up the list of movies that impressed them with now poor cgi, you'd laugh your butt off.
I honestly think a lot of people are… Not smart. Maybe that's too mean. Not sophisticated enough to identify good story. Look at Avatar, poor story, formulaic under a bad formula, amazing visuals, big sales.
I don't think most people can process complicated ideas in a story, they are good at processing visual information though.