00:00 Intro
06:38 Val-(CA) | What Is The Most Likely Cryptid?
28:40 Audience-Henry | When To Respond To A Trainer As An Atheist
37:22 David-CA | Expansion Only Occurs With Outside Force
1:03:34 Audience-Conner | Church And State Separation
1:20:35 Rick-(CA) | Tower Of Babel Caused Aphasia
SHOW NOTES
In today’s episode of Talk Heathen, the creepy duo of Johnny P. Angel and Cynthia McDonald work through questions of cryptids, aphasia, The First Amendment, religious trainers, and supernatural causes of expansion.
First up is Val in Canada who asks which of the cryptids is most likely to exist. The Abominable Snowman might be a character that was confused with a polar bear. How could something manage to escape our technologies and abilities? Would it be a great ape variety? How would they have migrated to the new world? We don’t even know if these are mammals. How do you rule out the existence of cryptids? Imagine how our understanding of human evolution would change if a hominid were to be discovered.
Henry from the audience asks when it is best to respond to a trainer as an atheist. Cythia shares some calm ways of shutting this down. Johnny waits for the second offense to firmly tell the trainer that we just need to stick with form.
David in CA posits that expansion can only occur with an outside force or supernatural realm and that Jesus sustains the cosmos. What empirical evidence do we have that a supernatural being exists? What tool is used to measure the supernatural? If you needed a heart transplant, and the surgeon only had 16 hours of cursory research as their training, would you allow that person to proceed? Will you try this theory on the Dean of Physics at a university?
Conner from the audience has a church and state separation in discussions with a parent. We had to go to the First Amendment for this one. Check out the Freedom From Religion Foundation for more answers on this. What are some ways we can prevent Sharia Law? How would you like it if a government entity of a different faith tried to tell you what to do? If young people continue to not tolerate this crap, many religious groups will be endangered. Do Catholics know that the money given to the church helps the pedofile defense fund? When we have too much overlap between church and state, it becomes a two way bad street. This is great when your political force is on top. But not so great when it is not.
Rick from Canada has evidence for the Tower of Babel. The tower collapsed and came down on their heads and caused aphasia that separated the languages. Have you ever studied linguistics? Where do you get information that all the languages are connected? What is just one example of how Japanese is like Hebrew? Rick has shown his stripes. If you are going to call in with an argument, please produce your evidence before saying that we don’t like your argument.
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I once had my doctor say to me "Oh Trevor, you have to believe in something that you cannot see" ( A doctor, an intelligent and educated person ! ) I replied that I believed in electricity and the wind, that's enough for me. ( I later changed to a different docrtor not because he was clearly deluded but because he was largely incompetent. — Unable to correctly fill out a form for the transport department ! ! ) I like this option … Dear believer, how about you shut the *uck up and I won't preach to you ?
Ugh. Have they let this “David” to have contact with people again? The guy is both boring and a YouTube comments creep who poses as multiple women. As buffoonish as he is a creep.
I love when people call immediately start with the astrophysics
Once again we have Rick, who says “right” sooooo often, while being oh, so wrong all the time.
Also, come with the evidence, Rick, you emotionally unstable sausage.
So Rick, so are you saying khoi koin and German have the same route? Are you saying that siswati and Chinese have the same route. You looked up ALL the languages did you? So how many even are there?
Soon mainstream zoologist will admit the cryptid snow crab really exists.
For Henry with the problem trainer: Think of that first meeting as job interview for the trainer. You are considering hiring this person to be a long-term advisor on your health and fitness. You need him to be someone who will carefully evaluate your individual situation before making a recommendation for the right workout. Yet he started off by doing exactly zero evaluation of your religious situation before Jesusing at you. I think he blew the interview right there. Maybe a lot of people in your area would be impressed by his religion-heavy approach, but you clearly aren't one of them and he didn't even bother to check first. I'd go try out some other trainers, and not meet with this guy again unless you can't find a better match elsewhere.
I'll be waiting for David's Nobel prize and can't wait to read the paper.
28:40 To trainer: say it immediately:
"I'm paying you for training. I'm not paying for you to push your religion at me."
Cynthia pronounced Kalevi Helvetti really well for an American. Big props! Great episode as always.
David. Bro. No bueno.
Gotta love people like David who make so many assertions with absolutely nothing to back it up! 😂
David should take 16 minutes of his time, not even 16 hours, to understand the difference between the vacuum of space and a vacuum cleaner.
I loved how Johnny perverted the 1st Amendment and substituted the word "Promoting" for "Prohibiting".
For those interested in the bigfoot discussion, look up "Gigantopithecus". I'm a skeptic and a rational thinker, but the reality is that we do in fact have huge bipedal apes in our relatively recent past. Makes something such as Bigfoot significantly more plausible than most other cryptids, etc. Am I convinced that they actually exist? No. But do I find it intriguing? Absolutely.
Johnny is so funny
I can inflate the ballon with a vacuum cleaner by creating a vacuum outside the balloon.
Just go with "I don't know". Obviously the real answer is something we don't understand yet. Stop inserting gods….
I see Johnny P. I upvote.
"I did 16 hours of cursory research to overturn the last 100 years of cosmology"
And you don't think any of the cosmologists or astrophysicists in the last 100 years put in 17?
'I can't make head or tail of this, get me a three year old child'
"Ah, it's written in a simple head colde, a schoolboy could catch it. Someone fetch me a schoolboy" – Firesign Theatre
"I'm gonna boil a baby when I leave here"
"Mazel tov"
I have three years in each of Hebrew and Latin, and more than 16 hours in Greek, German, and Japanese. I can confirm, they are not similar.
My most favourite cryptid is, All gods from the middle east.
Wow, great episode! Johnny P and Cynthia have a great rapport together, really a lot of fun to listen to
David in CA. His analogy falls short because the boundary of the universe is not likely to be made of an elastic polymer like a balloon. I don't know what it IS made of, if anything, but balloon rubber seems unlikely.
David is a troll.
Nobody ever, EVER, uses the word "cursory" in any way to prove that something is good. He's trying to convince you that he did enough research, so he would use a different word:
I did 16 hours of thorough research. – this might convince somebody.
I did 16 hours of comprehensive research. – this might convince somebody.
I did 16 hours of dedicated research. – this might convince somebody.
I did 16 hours of in-depth research. – this might convince somebody.
etc.
But using negative adjectives:
I did 16 hours of hasty research. – this will NOT convince anybody.
I did 16 hours of half-hearted research. – this will NOT convince anybody.
I did 16 hours of casual research. – this will NOT convince anybody.
I did 16 hours of cursory research. – this will NOT convince anybody.
By the way, those are all synonyms of "cursory".
Nobody would ever say this unless he's trolling you and trying to make a farce of real idiots who don't do enough research.
Side note, yes, i can inflate a balloon with a vacuum.
Cynthia's jacket looks very familiar ??? Anyone know where it has been seen before
Wait. Is David the dumbass from years ago that was angry you needed to have education and peer reviewed papers to be taken seriously in the scientific world because he never accomplished anything?
I remember the cosmology of David from way back
Wait. This guy was the one that said he could make a discovery because he was now older than Einstein. He’s a 53 year old idiot.
He would never put in actual work in physics. He’s too dumb to actually get anywhere and arrogant enough that he thinks he doesn’t need to.
So let me see if I understand Rick's theory…
The tower of Babel story is true. A tower that reached up to the sky. It collapsed, rocks fell and hit EVERYBODY on the head. The ALL got aphasia and their languages were confounded and that's why there are different ancient languages that have similarities.
Let me do 1 minute of cursory research…
According to the National Aphasia Association, the most common cause of aphasia is a stroke and that only results in up to a 40% chance of getting aphasia.
By simple logic, that means that rocks falling on heads will only cause aphasia less than 40% of the time or else falling rocks would be the most common cause.
So there's the first flaw: more than 60% of the people there would NOT get aphasia so why would the languages get messed up if most of them still spoke their common language just fine?
According to a couple job site safety websites I visited, a 1 pound object falling from about 100 feet will almost always cause fatal injuries to an unprotected head. A 2 pound hammer causes fatal injuries from heights closer to 70 feet. Hard Hats greatly increase survivability.
The book of Jubilee says the tower of Babel was 8,150 feet tall. That means over 8,000 feet of that tower falling down is above the 199' range for even a single pound to cause fatal head injuries.
So basically the falling tower killed everybody that it hit in the head, except for a few lucky people who:
a) got hit in the head
b) only by rocks that fell less than 100 feet
c) didn't get hit by the 99% of all the rest of the falling debris even though they were obviously right at the bae of the tower.
And even then, less than 40 percent of those lucky few got aphasia.
It seems to me that it would take a bigger miracle that anybody survived the falling tower with aphasia and no other fatal injuries than just to say "OK, god did a miracle to confound everybody's language."
Sorry, Rick, your scientific theory to prove the tower of Babel "falls" short…
For a more shockingly visceral understanding, the tower of Babel was supposed to be 8,150 feet tall which is almost exactly 6x as tall as the World Trade Center at 1,368 feet tall. Go watch the videos of the World Trade Center crashing down and imagine being a guy standing on the street at the base of either tower when it fell.
Do you think our imaginary guy ONLY gets hit by a 1 pound object, nothing else, gets aphasia, doesn't get buried under tons of collapsed building, and lives to tell about it (albeit in a confounded and mixed up way)?
Now picture the same thing, but 6x taller.
Didn't happen.
Final note: I Googed the number of people who got aphasia from falling debris from the World Trade Center but couldn't even one known case that came up in my Google search.
Of course, you knew this, or didn't care. your call wasn't serious or even meant to be taken seriously.
So I took it seriously just for the sake of doing some cursory research.
David would be happy, I figured all this out in about 1/64th the amount of time he spent on cursory physics research. I think he'd be proud of me.
This was a fantastic duo
David, you need to study for physics 16 years not 16 hours before you can even join the conversation. My son does 16 hours in 2 or 3 days. Sorry son, you're the epitome of the dunning Kruger effect. Holy shit, stop calling.
The fish mentioned is definitely the coelacanth. Relicanth is indeed the pokemon equivalent.
As for the "16 hours of cursory research" guy, that was just pathetic. lol
As for the Tower of Babel thing, languages are related to each other and they evolved, branching out into different forms and dialects. The reality of how languages spread and developed do not match the biblical account found in the Tower of Babel myth. Languages consist of sounds called phonemes that can sometimes be shared by languages which don't share any recent etymological evolution. They also are grouped into families, not dissimilar to biological classifications. For example, Spanish, French, and Italian are "romance" languages, which evolved from Latin.
The episode is terror of the zygons doctor who 1975
David 🙄
Arm chair scientist, with a coffee shop developed hypothesis.
I’m so tired of these guys🙄🙄🙄🙄
I love the “terminal case of Dunning-Kruger”. I laughed harder than I have in a long time. Great show!
Space is not 0 pressure! Outer space is only the lowest pressure which is 1.322 × 10-11- Educate yourself David!
Rick lol.
Similarities in Languages and linguistics doesn't prove tower of babel! The whole point of the tower story was god gave human kind different languages so they couldn't understand each other! If there were any truth to the story, god would not have gave them different Languages with similarities!
Cynthia, to Rick, the linguist (right?): "Did you take sixteen hours, or was it seventeen?" I died laughing. Brilliant.