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Ogata's psycopathy is wonderfully shown in this episode
If Yuusaku wavered or sank to Ogata's level for a bit, Ogata would've probably felt justified with killing him.
In an earlier episode, Ogata sees Yuusaku as special, because he thinks that, unlike him, Yuusaku having two parents who love each other means he's blessed. But the fact that he did everything to drag Yuusaku down to his level but Yuusaku remained pure (and despite all of Ogata's actions Yuusaku still loved his half-brother and believes he's a good person) is why Ogata feels massive guilt.
Man this episode is so fucking good, unbelievable!
czar alexander was in fact killed on that year by 2 bombers who threw bombs onto his transport amidst the crowd, so this is a VERY REAL event that happened that they swapped the real identities for characters in this show
one of them was even polish and bares some resemblance to wilk.
both bombers died. one died from injuries sustained in the same explosion that killed their target only a few hours after the incident, the other was found and arrested, and gave up the names of most people in his group resulting in everybody getting arrested. despite this, he was still executed along with them
The assassination of Alexander II leads to a massive pushback against his liberal reforms by his son, Alexander III. The Russian Empire would then fall back on their usual methods of Religion, Autocracy, and Nationalism in order to root out the various democratic, anarchist, socialist, or anti-autocratic groups.
There were also copious amounts of pogroms, persecutions, and general antisemitic sentiment when the Jewish community was made a scapegoat of the assassination which would eventually cause most Jews in the empire considering emigrating to other lands such as America, Europe, South America, Africa, and Palestine (modern Israel). It's also where most of the Jewish communities in America originate from.
ogata is such an interesting, messed up little dude. he's so desperate to tear yuusaku down from the piedestal that he himself built, that he's willing to do anything, ultimately creating his own spectre to get haunted by. sometimes i wanna push him down the stairs and other times i just wanna put him in my pocket, he makes me sad
Ogata makes the wrong choice every single time but is too emotionally damaged to realize
I feel like I understand Ogata really well. When you're like this, and see someone "pure", there is a sort of disbelief. It's the same sort of disbelief when you see someone exceedingly dumb for the first time. You're thinking: "is he actually that dumb, or is he just pretending? Surely, there is no way. No one actually is this stupid".
You test it again and again, and when you finally accept that people can actually be that "pure", or dumb, there comes a lot of anger, because you understand that's the way things are, and there's nothing you can do to fix that. It's a feeling of powerlessness. And, I'm sure you've met some people dumb enough to where you just want to kill them. But the worst part about it, killing them wouldn't do anything. There are millions of people like that. It's the law of the Universe. And this idea, this realization, is what actually haunts you, and the person in question is just a symbol representing that idea.
I think what Ogata feels is that there's a fundamental void within him, that cannot be filled by the laws of the Universe. And the more he tests it, the more he sees that it's true. And his brother is just a symbol of that insurmountably, so that's why he kills him. Of course, that doesn't resolve anything, and what actually haunts him is a mix of existential dread, powerlessness, despair from the realization.
I feel this way because I too have been born with strong psychopathic tendencies, and it is only by incredible coincidence I have managed to escape the void. I wouldn't say escape, even, more like keep it at bay so I have some tiny breathing room.
Ogata asked whether he ever had a chance to be happy but he destroyed one of the chance himself. But then again, Yuusaku could be killed anytime by Tsurumi’s order.
Can’t wait to see your reaction to Ogata’s conversation about guilt with a certain someone.
Season 3 is full of good episodes！
it's too bad Vasily won't be around now, he was so cool just during these two episodes…
Hooray for more Ogata backstory! Yuusaku seemed like such a kind young man, and he tried so hard to give Ogata the love that he so badly needed, but Ogata took it for granted…But by Ogata killing him Yuusaku is basically a sacrifice for Ogata's personal growth? Although Ogata doesn't seem to realize that.
In the ending, the ED music is doing a very good effect
I have been so excited for this episode.
it is just so interesting the way Ogata's psychology stacks up, because his disdain for Yusaku actually reveals what Ogata cares about. thinking back on Ogata's history… his father, General Hanazawa, abandoned Ogata and his mother. and in that abandonment, Ogata's mother started to go insane while raising him. in the manga I think the extent of it was a lot more clear, but in addition to making the same food every day, because it was General Hanazawa's favorite, other parts of her health and wellbeing also seemed to be deteriorating. she could barely take care of herself… and Ogata was neglected.
now, it is not within the psychology of a normal child to kill their mother in a situation like this. but to a kid with Ogata's strange psychology… what he saw was that his mother had left already. she was no longer with him, so when he killed her, he'd probably already felt the loss emotionally. when he shot other game, and brought it back for her to cook, that was already his attempt at getting her back, and it didn't work. and he states that this mercy killing was something he did to try and bring his father back to her. but even something that extreme wouldn't work.
I do believe that Ogata loved his mother, as much as a kid who sees the world this clinically possibly could. and that is what makes Yusaku such a deeply bitter figure to Ogata.
this is the child that General Hanazawa didn't abandon. and you can see how much he cares for Yusaku in every aspect of the way his life has been set up. General Hanazawa is the reason why Yusaku was given the illustrious role of flag bearer. a shining example of purity… the heroic image of a soldier, minus the tarnishing effects of having killed others on the battlefield. he casts his father's name in a positive light, every other soldier in the army likes him, and he has never once been put in a position where he had to kill. there is no blood on his hands, and for Ogata, who had to put down his own mother at such a young age, and felt like he had no choice in the matter, even though he loved her… Yusaku's existence is offensive.
Ogata killed Yusaku because he wanted to hit his father where it hurt, sure… but I also think that Ogata and Yusaku exist like light and shadow. they're polar opposites, yet in their opposition, each throws the other into stark relief. it's sad, because each time one of them tries to communicate with the other, it's in the form of trying to drag the other one over to their perspective, and it will never work.
Ogata wants Yusaku to kill a Russian. just one Russian, and then he and Yusaku will be relatable to one another. then Yusaku will have lived experiences that more closely resemble Ogata's. then he'll be in Ogata's world. but to Yusaku, this would be the destruction of his purity… one of the most valuable things to himself, and those around him. and as a morally upstanding person who has never had to compromise this aspect of himself, what Yusaku sees when he looks at Ogata, is someone who needs to be saved. broadly speaking, Yusaku sees the soldiers who kill under this banner, as needing to be saved. and the responsibility of saving them has been placed directly onto his shoulders. he's someone that the soldiers can look to, in their grief, anger, despair, pain, or desperation, in order to keep going. but when Yusaku embraces Ogata, and tries to console him… Ogata feels Yusaku erasing him. revising him into something more palatable.
in a way, each is invested in the other's erasure. a corrupt Yusaku would be more understandable to Ogata. a pure Ogata would be more understandable to Yusaku. they're in a tug of war, trying to relate to each other. I think they each would've liked to have a brother.
and the death of Yusaku is Ogata's ideological loss. when Ogata shoots Yusaku… that's it. he can't try to change Yusaku anymore. Yusaku is still pure when he dies, and in death, Yusaku's purity is immortalized. he becomes un-corruptable.
"everyone feels guilt when killing" is Yusaku's curse upon Ogata. it wasn't true, until Ogata took that final shot. Yusaku may have died, but he won.
カインとアベルなんだよねー。
Cain and Abel they are.
私はオガタが嫌いです
なぜなら勇作さんと三島を殺したからです。
I have been so excited for this episode.
it is just so interesting the way Ogata's psychology stacks up, because his disdain for Yusaku actually reveals what Ogata cares about. thinking back on Ogata's history… his father, General Hanazawa, abandoned Ogata and his mother. and in that abandonment, Ogata's mother started to go insane while raising him. in the manga I think the extent of it was a lot more clear, but in addition to making the same food every day, because it was General Hanazawa's favorite, other parts of her health and wellbeing also seemed to be deteriorating. she could barely take care of herself… and Ogata was neglected.
now, it is not within the psychology of a normal child to kill their mother in a situation like this. but to a kid with Ogata's strange psychology… what he saw was that his mother had left already. she was no longer with him, so when he killed her, he'd probably already felt the loss emotionally. when he shot other game, and brought it back for her to cook, that was already his attempt at getting her back, and it didn't work. and he states that this mercy killing was something he did to try and bring his father back to her. but even something that extreme wouldn't work.
I do believe that Ogata loved his mother, as much as a kid who sees the world this clinically possibly could. and that is what makes Yusaku such a deeply bitter figure to Ogata.
this is the child that General Hanazawa didn't abandon. and you can see how much he cares for Yusaku in every aspect of the way his life has been set up. General Hanazawa is the reason why Yusaku was given the illustrious role of flag bearer. a shining example of purity… the heroic image of a soldier, minus the tarnishing effects of having killed others on the battlefield. he casts his father's name in a positive light, every other soldier in the army likes him, and he has never once been put in a position where he had to kill. there is no blood on his hands, and for Ogata, who had to put down his own mother at such a young age, and felt like he had no choice in the matter, even though he loved her… Yusaku's existence is offensive.
Ogata killed Yusaku because he wanted to hit his father where it hurt, sure… but I also think that Ogata and Yusaku exist like light and shadow. they're polar opposites, yet in their opposition, each throws the other into stark relief. it's sad, because each time one of them tries to communicate with the other, it's in the form of trying to drag the other one over to their perspective, and it will never work.
Ogata wants Yusaku to kill a Russian. just one Russian, and then he and Yusaku will be relatable to one another. then Yusaku will have lived experiences that more closely resemble Ogata's. then he'll be in Ogata's world. but to Yusaku, this would be the destruction of his purity… one of the most valuable things to himself, and those around him. and as a morally upstanding person who has never had to compromise this aspect of himself, what Yusaku sees when he looks at Ogata, is someone who needs to be saved. broadly speaking, Yusaku sees the soldiers who kill under this banner, as needing to be saved. and the responsibility of saving them has been placed directly onto his shoulders. he's someone that the soldiers can look to, in their grief, anger, despair, pain, or desperation, in order to keep going. but when Yusaku embraces Ogata, and tries to console him… Ogata feels Yusaku erasing him. revising him into something more palatable.
in a way, each is invested in the other's erasure. a corrupt Yusaku would be more understandable to Ogata. a pure Ogata would be more understandable to Yusaku. they're in a tug of war, trying to relate to each other. I think they each would've liked to have a brother.
and the death of Yusaku is Ogata's ideological loss. when Ogata shoots Yusaku… that's it. he can't try to change Yusaku anymore. Yusaku is still pure when he dies, and in death, Yusaku's purity is immortalized. he becomes un-corruptable.
"everyone feels guilt when killing" is Yusaku's curse upon Ogata. it wasn't true, until Ogata took that final shot. Yusaku may have died, but he won.
I have been so excited for this episode.
it is just so interesting the way Ogata's psychology stacks up, because his disdain for Yusaku actually reveals what Ogata cares about. thinking back on Ogata's history… his father, General Hanazawa, abandoned Ogata and his mother. and in that abandonment, Ogata's mother started to go insane while raising him. in the manga I think the extent of it was a lot more clear, but in addition to making the same food every day, because it was General Hanazawa's favorite, other parts of her health and wellbeing also seemed to be deteriorating. she could barely take care of herself… and Ogata was neglected.
now, it is not within the psychology of a normal child to kill their mother in a situation like this. but to a kid with Ogata's strange psychology… what he saw was that his mother had left already. she was no longer with him, so when he killed her, he'd probably already felt the loss emotionally. when he shot other game, and brought it back for her to cook, that was already his attempt at getting her back, and it didn't work. and he states that this mercy killing was something he did to try and bring his father back to her. but even something that extreme wouldn't work.
I do believe that Ogata loved his mother, as much as a kid who sees the world this clinically possibly could. and that is what makes Yusaku such a deeply bitter figure to Ogata.
this is the child that General Hanazawa didn't abandon. and you can see how much he cares for Yusaku in every aspect of the way his life has been set up. General Hanazawa is the reason why Yusaku was given the illustrious role of flag bearer. a shining example of purity… the heroic image of a soldier, minus the tarnishing effects of having killed others on the battlefield. he casts his father's name in a positive light, every other soldier in the army likes him, and he has never once been put in a position where he had to kill. there is no blood on his hands, and for Ogata, who had to put down his own mother at such a young age, and felt like he had no choice in the matter, even though he loved her… Yusaku's existence is offensive.
Ogata killed Yusaku because he wanted to hit his father where it hurt, sure… but I also think that Ogata and Yusaku exist like light and shadow. they're polar opposites, yet in their opposition, each throws the other into stark relief. it's sad, because each time one of them tries to communicate with the other, it's in the form of trying to drag the other one over to their perspective, and it will never work.
Ogata wants Yusaku to kill a Russian. just one Russian, and then he and Yusaku will be relatable to one another. then Yusaku will have lived experiences that more closely resemble Ogata's. then he'll be in Ogata's world. but to Yusaku, this would be the destruction of his purity… one of the most valuable things to himself, and those around him. and as a morally upstanding person who has never had to compromise this aspect of himself, what Yusaku sees when he looks at Ogata, is someone who needs to be saved. broadly speaking, Yusaku sees the soldiers who kill under this banner, as needing to be saved. and the responsibility of saving them has been placed directly onto his shoulders. he's someone that the soldiers can look to, in their grief, anger, despair, pain, or desperation, in order to keep going. but when Yusaku embraces Ogata, and tries to console him… Ogata feels Yusaku erasing him. revising him into something more palatable.
in a way, each is invested in the other's erasure. a corrupt Yusaku would be more understandable to Ogata. a pure Ogata would be more understandable to Yusaku. they're in a tug of war, trying to relate to each other. I think they each would've liked to have a brother.
and the death of Yusaku is Ogata's ideological loss. when Ogata shoots Yusaku… that's it. he can't try to change Yusaku anymore. Yusaku is still pure when he dies, and in death, Yusaku's purity is immortalized. he becomes un-corruptable.
"everyone feels guilt when killing" is Yusaku's curse upon Ogata. it wasn't true, until Ogata took that final shot. Yusaku may have died, but he won.
The way Asirpa looking back at Ogata actually resembles Yuusaku's last scene.
sniper time!
This is probably my fav episode of this entire season! The sniper dual was so awesome!! And who doesn’t love more lore about the past? And Ogata’s haunted conscious wasn’t totally unexpected but soooo appreciated since he’s a side character.
Btw to give you guys extra context with the dialogue between Ogata & Yuusaku, it’s slightly more tragic than it already is. So in a previous episodes Ogata explains that he didn’t know how to feel when meeting his younger brother. Kept telling his brother that calling him “ani-sama” isn’t necessary because he’s a higher rank official than he is. We see that ani-sama means older brother but “sama” at the end of “ani” is making the term brother as something endearing/highly respected. So this whole time since Yuusaku met Ogata he calls him ani-sama as a brother in the most endearing & respectful way that’s over the top for Ogata. And there’s a minor error in the translation where Ogata invites Yuusaku to a bar. “It feels like they’re avoiding me in the barracks” is not what Yuusaku says in the manga. In the managa Yuusaku says “It’s seem like you are avoiding me in the barracks.” And what Yuusaku says to Ogata as he embraces his older brother will come back at play later again. The tragedy here is that Ogata k!lled someone who truly adored and loved him. Ogata is someone I feel a bit conflicted about. It’s almost as if he himself is a walking contradiction. I can’t wait to see more!