Sky Warden Purchase



Mover and I chat about the AT-802U Sky Warden purchase. The Air Tractor joins the Air Force! Cool plane and mission, did we buy to many? What do fast jet pilots know about slow, prop-job, mud movers? Tons of opinions in this one!

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48 thoughts on “Sky Warden Purchase”

  1. I flew the Air Tractor for 5 years spraying. Was watching a couple of video's of what appeared to be Military Pilot training in the Warden and they ground looped and balled up a couple of them while landing. A fighter pilot would have a tough time learning what his feet are for, you fighter guy's seldom have to touch your rudder pedals, with these, you NEVER take you feet off the rudder pedals! It's real seat of the pants flying! Had a friend of mine had an ultralight. His son in law was an Air Force F-16 pilot and dang near killed himself in it! He said he would never get in it again! Ha! How ironic!

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  2. Cost to operate Sky Warden is around only $900 per flight hour versus around $22,000 per flight hour for the A-10! Sky Warden is a no brainer. Reminds me of Rapid Dragon in the sense that it's a rare example of the US military scoring a lot of bang for the buck by leveraging something cheap that the US already has — as opposed to throwing billions at another exquisite, obscenely expensive platform. We need more of this kind of thing. Imagine if the USAF decided to buy 30 fewer F-15EXs leaving it with ~$3 billion to spend buying newly built P-51 Mustangs in volume. Let's suppose that by purchasing in volume it would cost the USAF roughly $1 million to replicate the WWII version without any modernization. But let's assume that the USAF instead buys updated versions that include an additional two million dollars worth of technology invented after WWII. Supposing each P-51 had a fly away cost of $3 million, then for $3 billion the USAF could by a thousand of these newly built, partially modernized P-51s! If a thousand P-51s were unleashed over a battlefield, couldn't they do FAR more damage to the enemy than the 30 F-15EXs they replaced?

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  3. Paintball guns and water balloons. That’s what I think of when I look at that thing. FAC role at best, drones can handle the rest and what is the need for two guys sitting in each other’s lap like a J3. It’s like going airplane shopping at the Dollar store. I could see five of them as a POC at best.

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  4. im sure some politicians family member owns this company and has now gotten rich off of this purchase..Nothing but a waste of taxpayers money..Lets take care of the homeless and hungry in this country before we waste any more money on the military which quite frankly we dont even need as long as our citizens are armed.

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  5. Why is it so expensive? even at 30 million that still sounds like a lot. Sounds to me like the Navy and Air Force need a budget increase with all the drama popping off around the world. Especially when one country China keeps telling us they want war and soon.

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  6. 1960s : The North Vietnamese and Vietcong have heavy firepower, we need CAS jets with lots of armour and firepower.
    2010s : The insurgents lack heavy firepower, A-10 is too overkill, we need a cheap cropduster plane with light armament.

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  7. The reason they want 75 is because they're taking over both from the surveillance aircraft/drones doing long – loiter observation missions, plus the armed drone support mission (like the Reaper/Predators), and providing a level of CAS the A-10s do badly. The stall speed is significantly lower, the aircraft is armored enough to be tolerant of your typical hillbilly small arms (7.62×39, 12.7 Dshk, 7.62x54R), and there's enough external stores options to deal with most COIN missions. The max payload is 8,000 pounds of fuel, weapons and sensors which is about half of its max gross weight. There's ballistic glass windows, cockpit and engine armor (the bathtub approach), self-sealing fuel lines and tanks, and a fuel dump feature. There are no ejection seats, instead the cockpit is a energy-absorbing roll cage that can support the full aircraft weight in case of a roll over on landing, and the 5-point restraints have auto-inflating air bags and sit on energy absorbing crash seats. There are mountings for Chaff/flare dispensers and missile warning sensors. 11 external hardpoints (the A-29s have 5, OV-10 was 7 and A-10s are also 11). The standard payload is proposed as a pair of ATK 7 tube pods and a MX-15/MX-20 sensor pod.

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  8. The Air Tractor is a very capable aircraft. I've watched those thing do some crazy stuff on fires for years. The military would be well served to keep building those. Here in the mountains of NW Montana they operate very well. I have a bunch of video's of them doing retardant drops at tree top level in extremely rugged terrain. They are impressive. Fire aviation is a lot of fun, but very dangerous. I miss doing it though.

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  9. Now designated the OA-1K for AFSOC. 25 birds is essentially 3 squadrons of 25; with some of those being an RTU. When you look at the specs for its competitor darlings, such as the A-29 or AT-6 or even an OV-10, the Air Tractor was the best choice with respect to total load and loiter time, plus the wings come off for transport in a C-5. Although a hot seat didn't make the cut due to time & budget constraints in the competition process, I wouldn't be surprised if one isn't fielded down the road and I hope that TCTO is made a priority before there are fatalities. It fills a niche and isn't all bad. Overall cost is an issue, as is the TBD training pipeline for tailwheel transition. If the AF chooses its path wisely, there is a lot of potential here.

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  10. At 3:14… So True! That's what this is, and as-such, Could be taken-down by a Curtiss P-6 Hawk from 1924! Beyond stupid, just pure idiocy. Either the Grumman Mohawk, or Rockwell Bronco should be the 'type' of plane put into this role. Granted, both of those are bigger, and T-prop twins, but both have Proven combat records, robust MILITARY-Grade airframes, and would certainly be able to be 're-wired' to fit new observation and weapon systems that this Role might require.

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