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“The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers — loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on YouTube. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news — the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on YouTube, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do — even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks — who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago — the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king — the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best — the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all — class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people — frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is…”
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But proggressives are too radical and we are supposed to work with these people to defeat Republicans, this is bullshit
Why hide it?
And Kyle studied how publicly financed elections work, saw it was good and infallible. There is no gaming the system, no money just going to the media to buy favor/silence, politicians are all good boys and girls listening to their constituents and there is no corruption. Where does that happen? Give some examples.
Look what a travesty this is in Hungary (if nothing else, watch John Oliver's take, at least you will laugh). In Romania the politicians voted to allocate more funds for the political parties for 'publicity and propaganda' and those are used to 'buy' the press. But I'm sure in other parts of the world the system is great.
How is the answer to corrupt centralized power from government appointees going to be solved by using public money for the government to correct itself?
I'm also confused, aren't unions notorious for having mafia ties and being deeply corrupt as well? The also hold services hostage to make people suffer so they can leverage more money for their labor. That may benefit them, it's a pretty selfish way to do things. Unions haven't proven to be any less corrupt than the government by any means.
The real swamp, right there. Oligarchy for sure. Disgusting.
The real swamp, right there. Oligarchy for sure. Disgusting.
I appreciate the podcast! We don't have unlimited internet data so it saves money to listen. Internet in the Philippines is about 50 cents / gb
I'd like to revolve Dua Lipa's door
Too corrupt to jail and too rich to care.
You'd think that something like this has to be recorded with a secret camera, and becomes a huge scandal. But this is what they're like on live tv, and it doesn't even get discussed in mainstream news media!
Throw Doritos at 'em.
#MahsaAmini
why aren't you covering iran?? it doesn't fit your narrative? so much for being alternative media !
We just keep sliding backwards
"I told Ukraine you ain't getting the billion dollars until you fire the guy investing my son's million dollar contract" – Joe Biden
Why are their heads still attached to their bodies? We are doomed.
Carpet bag Trey is my representative, sadly.
Trying to change now is like trying to take the flour out of bread.
Rep. Hollingsworth is the epitome of an elitists carpetbagger. He specifically moved to southern Indiana and bought his congressional seat thanks to his rich Tennessee daddy. Go check out some of his campaign videos. He truly is a douchey frat boy.
This guy used to be my rep. Typical Trump Supporter
"revolving door" is a strong term for someone going from congressional staffer to bank employee one time
Bang on
Algorithm
To fix the problem you need to get rid of capitalism. Taking money out of politics is only a bandaid.
And yet they still get elected. We get what we deserve.
4.1 million views is less than 5% of voters and just over 1% of the population.
the U.S NEEDS to have actually Eternally way higher taxes on the rich/wealthy/the millionairs the billionairs and the trillionairs, wallstreet, because the U.S needs to actually completely and totally and permanently forever eternally tax the mega rich/wealthy/the millionairs/the billionairs and the trillionairs, wallstreet to the ground!
the U.S NEEDS the ENTIRE "old guard" and any and all the corperatist extremist capitalist terrorist authoritarian totalitarian imperialist criminal corrupt goons in the entire government and the entire corperatist extremist capitalist authoritarian totalitarian imperialist terrorist war criminal corrupt system to be completely and totally permanently removed from government especially any and all of the war criminals in the entire government like Biden,like trump,like Obama, like bush, like Clinton,like palin,like Manchin,like sïñêmà,like pelosi,like harris etc all of whom all need to be rounded up arrested and locked away permanently forever and permanently be removed from any and all seats of any and all political power permanently forever.
the people/the American people/any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people NEED to completely and totally and permanently destroy the entire corperatist extremist capitalist terrorist authoritarian totalitarian imperialist war criminal corrupt main stream media
the U.S NEEDS more Public schools across the board.
the U.S NEEDS to lower gas prices and prices for everything including food permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS to destroy/get rid of/ban any and all private prisons permanently forever
the U.S and the WORLD NEED to be standing with Ukraine and helping to defend Ukraine.
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally ban stock trading for Congress and for any form of government permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS to make death row/the death penalty completely and totally illegal permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS to have an FDR style president permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS Sanders!, the U.S NEEDS Marianne Williamson! the U.S NEEDS Nina Turner! the U.S NEEDS fetterman! the U.S NEEDS cisneros! the U.S NEEDS LEADERS LIKE THEM, the U.S NEEDS SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVE LEADERS!!!
the U.S NEEDS to have a permanent universal law that whenever natural disasters are a danger and threat to where someone is living/working that anyone and everyone is to stop working immediately and evacuate to safety immediately as quickly and safetly as possible.
the U.S NEEDS complete and total due process permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS permanent green energy forever.
the U.S NEEDS to get complete and total and permanent rights/civil rights for anyone and everyone in the LGBTQ community, all lives,rights/civil rights CANT matter until LGBTQ lives,rights,civil rights matter too!
the U.S NEEDS to solve world hunger and homelessness and any and all poverty by using the endless wealth of the super/mega/ultra rich/wealthy/the millionairs/the billionairs/the trillionairs/the top 1%
the U.S NEEDS paid sick leave by law and the U.S also NEEDS employees to be required by law to go home immediately when employees are not feeling well whatsoever.
the U.S NEEDS an enforcer in Congress
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally abolish/destroy/make any and all forms of slavery and child labor in every way shape and form completely and totally and permanently illegal forever
the U.S NEEDS to have big pharma permanently Lift any and all patent protections so we can get vaccines/cures out to the rest of the world and save lives and so we can permanently eradicate the COVID pandemic forever.
the U.S NEEDS to lift any and all sanctions anywhere and everywhere permanently forever unless it's Israel,saudi arabia, Russia etc, especially Russia, until Russia's war with Ukraine is over the sanctions on Russia especially NEED to stay permanent.
the U.S NEEDS to Completely and totally destroy/dismantle/ban/make the entire drone program illegal in every single way shape and form permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS to have completely and totally permanently higher gun laws/restrictions/regulations across the board permanently forever in the U.S(personally I would love all guns to be completely and totally banned/made illegal across the board permanently forever in the U.S)
the U.S NEEDS to have completely and totally permanently higher alcohol laws/restrictions/regulations across the board permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS an infastructure bill of 2 trillion dollars or more
the U.S NEEDS to be defunding and be giving absolutely no support of any kind to the police
and the U.S also NEEDS to be defunding and be giving absolutely no support of any kind to the military industrial complex
the U.S NEEDS to see the entire defense bill gets completely and totally tanked AF into the ground
the U.S NEEDS to see any and all drugs Unquestionably undeniably unchallengeably be legalized and decriminalized and regulated permanently forever across the board
the U.S NEEDS to release/free any and all non violent drug offenders permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS to see any and all drug prices lowered permanently across the board forever
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally permanently cut any and all ties with Israel and saudi Arabia permanently forever in every single way, the U.S also NEEDS to completely and totally and permanently/ban/kick Israel and saudi Arabia and Russia off from the UN council permanently forever
the American people NEED to completely and totally permanently forever destroy the entire U.S corporatist extremist capitalist authoritarian totalitarian imperialist terrorist corrupt war criminal broken and rigged system that's broken and rigged in every single way against the people/the American people/any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people, the U.S corperatist extremist capitalist authoritarian totalitarian imperialist terrorist corrupt war criminal broken rigged system that's being used to oppress crush and outright kill any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people around the entire world.
the U.S NEEDS to deal with the climate change crisis affecting the entire country and the entire world
the U.S NEEDS to have a permanent direct democracy/social democracy permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS nationalize direct democracy/social democracy permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS to have permanent direct democracy/ social democracy/socialism for only the people, for only any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people. Fuck the rich, Fuck the wealthy, Fuck the millionairs Fuck the billionairs and Fuck the trillionairs, Fuck the top 1%, Fuck the super/mega ultra rich.
the U.S NEEDS to see for profit be completely and totally permanently taken out of healthcare forever
the U.S NEEDS to see for profit be completely and totally permanently taken out of war forever.
the U.S NEEDS to make vaccine mandates and mask mandates a permanent reality during pandemics because their actually very safe,healthy,smart,considerate and above all their the correct and right thing to do and their especially absolutely Unquestionably undeniably unchallengeably necessary at all times during any and all pandemics.
the U.S NEEDS Permanent universal healthcare/medicare for all permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS to see and make it permanent that any and all money is to be completely and totally and utterly permanently taken out of politics forever
the U.S NEEDS universal affordable food for all/for everyone
the U.S NEEDS universal rehabilitation
the U.S NEEDS to Nationalize big pharma
the U.S NEEDS to nationalize the oil industry
the U.S NEEDS universal Pre K
the U.S NEEDS social security for all
the U.S NEEDS UBI
the U.S NEEDS Universal unionization
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally permanently ban any and all union busting permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS Paid Paternity/paid maternity leave permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS Universal childcare
the U.S NEEDS a Green new deal
the U.S NEEDS paid Vacation/paid family leave by law permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS the complete and total ERADICATION of student loan debt
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally and permanently end the drug war forever
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally and permanently stay out of any and all pointless endless wars forever
the U.S NEEDS universal college across the board
the U.S NEEDS complete and total re distribution of wealth
the U.S NEEDS a universal 4 day work week permanently forever
any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people NEED to be making a living wage, again for any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people around the entire world need to be being paid 25$+,30$+ an hour for any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people to be able to actually live.
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally free assange and Snowden,Daniel,donzinger,Chelsey,and any and all whistle blowers
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally pull out any and all U.S military and pull out any and all U.S presence of every single kind in every way shape and form of every country the U.S is in especially the entire middle east and bring any and all troops/military/bring any and all presence of U.S back home and keep our military and our presence at home permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS to get back in the nuclear deal with Iran to establish peace and permanently stay in that deal forever and establish that peace permanently forever.
the U.S NEED to permanently establish peace with anyone and everyone including Venezuela forever and establish and keep peace with anyone and everyone permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS clean elections permanently forever
the people/the American people NEED to STILL get the 2000$ stimulus check that was promised to the the people/the American people/any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people by Biden.v
the U.S NEEDS to have actually Eternally way higher taxes on the rich/wealthy/the millionairs the billionairs and the trillionairs, wallstreet, because the U.S needs to actually completely and totally and permanently forever eternally tax the mega rich/wealthy/the millionairs/the billionairs and the trillionairs, wallstreet to the ground!
the U.S NEEDS the ENTIRE "old guard" and any and all the corperatist extremist capitalist terrorist authoritarian totalitarian imperialist criminal corrupt goons in the entire government and the entire corperatist extremist capitalist authoritarian totalitarian imperialist terrorist war criminal corrupt system to be completely and totally permanently removed from government especially any and all of the war criminals in the entire government like Biden,like trump,like Obama, like bush, like Clinton,like palin,like Manchin,like sïñêmà,like pelosi,like harris etc all of whom all need to be rounded up arrested and locked away permanently forever and permanently be removed from any and all seats of any and all political power permanently forever.
the people/the American people/any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people NEED to completely and totally and permanently destroy the entire corperatist extremist capitalist terrorist authoritarian totalitarian imperialist war criminal corrupt main stream media
the U.S NEEDS more Public schools across the board.
the U.S NEEDS to lower gas prices and prices for everything including food permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS to destroy/get rid of/ban any and all private prisons permanently forever
the U.S and the WORLD NEED to be standing with Ukraine and helping to defend Ukraine.
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally ban stock trading for Congress and for any form of government permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS to make death row/the death penalty completely and totally illegal permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS to have an FDR style president permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS Sanders!, the U.S NEEDS Marianne Williamson! the U.S NEEDS Nina Turner! the U.S NEEDS fetterman! the U.S NEEDS cisneros! the U.S NEEDS LEADERS LIKE THEM, the U.S NEEDS SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVE LEADERS!!!
the U.S NEEDS to have a permanent universal law that whenever natural disasters are a danger and threat to where someone is living/working that anyone and everyone is to stop working immediately and evacuate to safety immediately as quickly and safetly as possible.
the U.S NEEDS complete and total due process permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS permanent green energy forever.
the U.S NEEDS to get complete and total and permanent rights/civil rights for anyone and everyone in the LGBTQ community, all lives,rights/civil rights CANT matter until LGBTQ lives,rights,civil rights matter too!
the U.S NEEDS to solve world hunger and homelessness and any and all poverty by using the endless wealth of the super/mega/ultra rich/wealthy/the millionairs/the billionairs/the trillionairs/the top 1%
the U.S NEEDS paid sick leave by law and the U.S also NEEDS employees to be required by law to go home immediately when employees are not feeling well whatsoever.
the U.S NEEDS an enforcer in Congress
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally abolish/destroy/make any and all forms of slavery and child labor in every way shape and form completely and totally and permanently illegal forever
the U.S NEEDS to have big pharma permanently Lift any and all patent protections so we can get vaccines/cures out to the rest of the world and save lives and so we can permanently eradicate the COVID pandemic forever.
the U.S NEEDS to lift any and all sanctions anywhere and everywhere permanently forever unless it's Israel,saudi arabia, Russia etc, especially Russia, until Russia's war with Ukraine is over the sanctions on Russia especially NEED to stay permanent.
the U.S NEEDS to Completely and totally destroy/dismantle/ban/make the entire drone program illegal in every single way shape and form permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS to have completely and totally permanently higher gun laws/restrictions/regulations across the board permanently forever in the U.S(personally I would love all guns to be completely and totally banned/made illegal across the board permanently forever in the U.S)
the U.S NEEDS to have completely and totally permanently higher alcohol laws/restrictions/regulations across the board permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS an infastructure bill of 2 trillion dollars or more
the U.S NEEDS to be defunding and be giving absolutely no support of any kind to the police
and the U.S also NEEDS to be defunding and be giving absolutely no support of any kind to the military industrial complex
the U.S NEEDS to see the entire defense bill gets completely and totally tanked AF into the ground
the U.S NEEDS to see any and all drugs Unquestionably undeniably unchallengeably be legalized and decriminalized and regulated permanently forever across the board
the U.S NEEDS to release/free any and all non violent drug offenders permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS to see any and all drug prices lowered permanently across the board forever
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally permanently cut any and all ties with Israel and saudi Arabia permanently forever in every single way, the U.S also NEEDS to completely and totally and permanently/ban/kick Israel and saudi Arabia and Russia off from the UN council permanently forever
the American people NEED to completely and totally permanently forever destroy the entire U.S corporatist extremist capitalist authoritarian totalitarian imperialist terrorist corrupt war criminal broken and rigged system that's broken and rigged in every single way against the people/the American people/any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people, the U.S corperatist extremist capitalist authoritarian totalitarian imperialist terrorist corrupt war criminal broken rigged system that's being used to oppress crush and outright kill any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people around the entire world.
the U.S NEEDS to deal with the climate change crisis affecting the entire country and the entire world
the U.S NEEDS to have a permanent direct democracy/social democracy permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS nationalize direct democracy/social democracy permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS to have permanent direct democracy/ social democracy/socialism for only the people, for only any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people. Fuck the rich, Fuck the wealthy, Fuck the millionairs Fuck the billionairs and Fuck the trillionairs, Fuck the top 1%, Fuck the super/mega ultra rich.
the U.S NEEDS to see for profit be completely and totally permanently taken out of healthcare forever
the U.S NEEDS to see for profit be completely and totally permanently taken out of war forever.
the U.S NEEDS to make vaccine mandates and mask mandates a permanent reality during pandemics because their actually very safe,healthy,smart,considerate and above all their the correct and right thing to do and their especially absolutely Unquestionably undeniably unchallengeably necessary at all times during any and all pandemics.
the U.S NEEDS Permanent universal healthcare/medicare for all permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS to see and make it permanent that any and all money is to be completely and totally and utterly permanently taken out of politics forever
the U.S NEEDS universal affordable food for all/for everyone
the U.S NEEDS universal rehabilitation
the U.S NEEDS to Nationalize big pharma
the U.S NEEDS to nationalize the oil industry
the U.S NEEDS universal Pre K
the U.S NEEDS social security for all
the U.S NEEDS UBI
the U.S NEEDS Universal unionization
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally permanently ban any and all union busting permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS Paid Paternity/paid maternity leave permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS Universal childcare
the U.S NEEDS a Green new deal
the U.S NEEDS paid Vacation/paid family leave by law permanently forever
the U.S NEEDS the complete and total ERADICATION of student loan debt
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally and permanently end the drug war forever
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally and permanently stay out of any and all pointless endless wars forever
the U.S NEEDS universal college across the board
the U.S NEEDS complete and total re distribution of wealth
the U.S NEEDS a universal 4 day work week permanently forever
any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people NEED to be making a living wage, again for any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people around the entire world need to be being paid 25$+,30$+ an hour for any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people to be able to actually live.
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally free assange and Snowden,Daniel,donzinger,Chelsey,and any and all whistle blowers
the U.S NEEDS to completely and totally pull out any and all U.S military and pull out any and all U.S presence of every single kind in every way shape and form of every country the U.S is in especially the entire middle east and bring any and all troops/military/bring any and all presence of U.S back home and keep our military and our presence at home permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS to get back in the nuclear deal with Iran to establish peace and permanently stay in that deal forever and establish that peace permanently forever.
the U.S NEED to permanently establish peace with anyone and everyone including Venezuela forever and establish and keep peace with anyone and everyone permanently forever.
the U.S NEEDS clean elections permanently forever
the people/the American people NEED to STILL get the 2000$ stimulus check that was promised to the the people/the American people/any and all regular normal poor less fortunate average people by Biden.v
This was obvious political theatre done by Democrats because of the midterms. Rashida talib made Jaime Daimon look like a good guy lol. How about democrats focus on the economy instead of theatrics . The questions they asked were dumb and random. Since the midterms are coming up …of course Kyle has to go along with this nonsense. 🙄🙄🙄
1970s? The Supreme Court upheld slavery. They have ALWAYS been tyranical
I think I got an ad on this video about the guy(in picture for video) on the left
It’s the rich boy club, the money only flows one direction
Dude is literally called Trey Hollingsworth. That literally sounds like the name of nepotism.
I think we're beyond diplomacy with these people and examples need to be made .
Arrest them and take everything from them
Kyle's show "look at the corruption."
Mainstream media "Look at this thing that's purely a culture war matter that doesn't effect policies."
Blase faire
That's how they were able to influence Democratic Senator Kyrsten Sinema, she was dazzled by the dollar signs and switched parties.
Is this exchange enough to instigate an ethics investigation?
what kind of vape is that? i'm trying to quit smoking but i don't know where to start with vaping
Where's a good guillotine when you need one.
Yeah, so our government is corrupt, bought and owned by billionaires and corporations (foreign and domestic)
What are we the voters and working class Americans going to do about it?
How do Kyles goofy plug pivots not break his neck?
Absolutely 🤮🤮🤮
3:05 Yooo the way he mocked the banker and the congressman had me dead laughing 🤣🤣🤣
it amazes me how America continues to be so backward. what a shame. #theamericandreammyasscheeks
When the point of the country is to make as much money as possible no matter what should we be surprised when our politicians go full bore into that
Ya, that Trey bro is a total db. None of this is one bit surprising. The world is a flaming dumpster fire of corruption