Let’s dive into the incredibly fascinating story about the disappearance of the ninth legion!
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"Mutiny once, shame on me. Mutiny twice, EVERYONE GETS CRUCIFIED" is now my new favorite saying.
They probably got decimated by a local illness and the Britons kept opportunistically picking them off… Add a famine or something wouldn't have been great either
Or… It was an embarrassing defeat in which Hadrian had to barter for peace, and built a wall not to keep people out physically but as a demarcation of territory. Such a loss wouldn't have been written down. Hadrian may have Ukrained himself
They got lost in bad weather and accidentally found themselves wandering the streets of Glasgow, the night after an Old Firm game.
EDIT: I'm never going to see the word "Nijmegen" again, without hearing Simon calling it "Ninja Men".
One of the more fascinating mysteries of the Roman Empire along with the Varian Disaster. To this day no one is 100% sure where they went. Probably decimated by multiple wars and eventually disbanded and the rest dispersed into other legions.
Simon, I think it's quite possible the the legion was just absorbed into other legions and the name was just abadoned. But an the other hand it's also possible that rome was just ashamed about the defeat, so they just destroyed every report of the battle a short time after. Eventhough that is quite unlikely. Legions vanishing into thin air, never to be seen again isn't something, that hasn't happend before in the roman empire. In fact, just look at the famous Batlte in the Teutoburg forest (also called Varian Disaster or Varus Battle) in germany in 9 AD. We do absolutely with 100% certainty know that this battle did take place. And that 3 roman legions were totally destroyed. Since both rome and the germanic tribes kept reports about the battle.
But to this day we still don't know where exactly the battle took place. We don't even know wether the battle really took place in the teutoburg forest, somewhere near Cologne, Hanover, Osnabrück, near Frankfurt or near the harz mountain region in Saxony-Anhalt. That's a difference of several hundred kilometres in a total different area in germany !.
To this day, the battlefield and the remains have not been found. Just a handfull of artefact from some roman legions has been found
But nothing that can undoubtedly traced back to the missing legions.
A few coins from the time, some spears, sandals and a helmet but thats basically it. For three full legions that's almost nothing. Just as if they dissapeared into thin air.
16000-20000 people just gone and only a handfull of fragments that might belong to them remain.
But we definitely know, that the battle did really take place in 9 AD. The 17th, 18th and 19th legion were all destroyed by the germanic tribes. But that's all we know.
Just a handful belongings, a few coins, and thats basically it.
So i thinks it's quite reasonable to think, if rome keept reports about such a massive defeat of 3 legions, they would've probably kept a report about the defeat of 'just' one legion as well, if a battle ever took place.
On the other hand if they just destroyed the records out of shame it's quite reasonable to asume that the remains of the lost legion are still somewhere buried in the ground waiting to be found.
Nah, by the 100th time you just dumb it down to “when you’re back here, shut up or you’re in detention
I know Simon explicitly said that he doesn't care, but pretending he does:
The reason that the 9th disappearing is more interesting than the 22nd is because the 22nd isn't as decorated, there's a reasonable explanation (they were the legion that was destroyed and weren't called out) and they didn't "disappear" like the 9th did. The 9th was a decorated unit that went from a station to unlisted in a relatively short period, and while the reason is probably tedious, it is also frustratingly elusive for historians of a bureaucratically well documented civilization that (as Simon has said himself) is both incredibly incredibly similar to and radically different from our own.
It's so frustrating listening to this guy bitch about how he hates history and pronouncing words… worst narrator
I love how honest Simon is here and on Casual Criminalist about his other channels 😂
I've always assumed the predator got them, I would love to write that movie
Yes. YESSSS. Ancient Roman history! Suffer for our pleasure, Factboi!
Christ, here we go again. In English Pompey is pronounced POM-pee. Not pom-PAY. That's how you say the name of the city buried by Vesuvius in 72 AD.
Ilse kept saying "legate" when she meant "legionnaire". A legate was roughly equivalent to a general, the official in command of the entire legion.
I say "official" rather than "officer" because there wasn't a clear distinction between civilian and military leadership in those days. And these could be rotating assignments, so it's not especially significant that some former legates of the IX had traceable later careers.
If you want a good Fantasy Novel series about what happened to the 9th Legion, Check out The Karus Saga by Marc Alan Edelheit
28:25 — You can't carbon date ceramic, Simon. Just organic material. Pottery is usually dated by stylistic and stratigraphic evidence. When a potter style has identifiable changes over time this is very useful in establishing a sequence, and if there are organic remains reliably associated with a pottery style that can help date the entire sequence. But a roof tile bearing a standard stamp isn't distinctive enough to be used this way even if you could pinpoint it to a decade on style alone. And you probably can't.
Off with their heads 😵👈
ja i would agree it is indeed the coolest empire of all, way above yours…
Lol I know how .any people are in a legion because of simon….. and he had to look it up…. because the brain is weird af
Watch the movie “The last legion “. 2007
If I know how to write a story without stopping at the first paragraph I might write a story where the Ninth is kidnapped by aliens to fight in a war.
This video just confirms just how thick and ignorant Simon is. Thank goodness he only reads stuff others have written for him.
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Ancient Rome is my favorite subject. Very disappointed 😢
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9:30 that sounds exactly like the navy seals…
It think it was cold, and boring and far from home, war was stupid so they integrated with the locals
Wow this one was rather boring. You did a great job like always but the whole topic is just super boring.
7:05 — ooof, Simon, that's the most British you've ever been so far. C'mon, man, smell the roses! :))))
I am a military Historian. You did a good job Simon. If your ever in San Antonio Texas, let’s get a few local beers and go to the Alamo.
I’ll pay your bill!
For every American who went into battle in ww2 there were 7 to 9 people supplying him . makes you think
4:10 – Chapter 1 – Who was the 9th legion ?
10:50 – Chapter 2 – What did a regular legion look like ?
13:45 – Chapter 3 – So what happened to the 9th legion?
15:20 – Chapter 3.1 – 1st theory ; defeated in a battle in england during the reign of emperor hadrian
27:05 – Chapter 3.2 – 2nd theory ; transferred out Britain to the continent
32:45 – Chapter 3.3 – 3rd theory ; they just kinda left
37:40 – Conclusion
methinks the whistleboy doth protest too much… new conspiracy theory, the ninth legion is buried on factboy's ancestral lands, and he's just pretending that he's never heard of them… "rome… *pshaw* nobody cares about THEM anymore"
If they where based in York, its simple they where probably wiped out by a dozen girls from Manchester out on a hen night, after a few too many bottles of lambrusco.
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To be fair, it's not like the 9th was composed of the same soldiers the entire time. We're talking almost a century between the Gallic Wars and the invasion of Britain. So a loss of skill is to be expected. Especially when it looks like they kept getting their leaders killed due to mutinies.
Can't carbon date pottery or stone. No carbon-14. It only works on organic material, and only to about 50,000 years ago.
They're lost up a very fat chick's backside. It's common knowledge.
A little TOO honest there: "Never heard of this, but I'm your host so lets go!" LOL! Pretty funny though, dw I'm also a skeptic of conspiracy theories however I don't know that I would confess the fact as a youtuber!
Most honest presenter EVER lol.
The thing about 16:30 is that the Romans were very good at keeping records even about their losses. The Egyptians didn't write about their losses, but the Romans were anal about documenting shit.
Pronounced "Leg-its" they were the fastest runners of each legion, that why they reached the camp 1st, the more you know 👍
He sends a “history”! I just can’t. Doofus!
Please do a video about the Bijlmermeer disaster and the possible coverup thereafter.
Didn't finish the video, you clearly didn't have any appreciation for the subject or the script.
Left in running in the background so you get paid though.