***SPOILER ALERT*** Rolling Stone Chief TV Critic Alan Sepinwall and Rich Eisen debate the merits of the series finale of ‘Succession.’
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I think Shiv made the choice the gave her the most power. Tom as CEO is like McCarthy as speaker – no real power – and even before the payout from GoJo, her prenup-protected wealth is about 1000 times greater that Tom's so she'll have almost daily opportunities to "shiv" anybody and everybody. Plus the whole point is that she, like the others has been irreparably broken by her NotBestDadEver so it's totally in-character for her to betray Kendall.
It’s amazing how much people want to glorify one rotten character over another. She’s no saviour FFS
???????? Did Rich watch the show????
what would Shiv's vote have been if she wasn't pregnant with Tom's kid? I suspect the same but curious to hear what others think
Did you really think Shiv wouldn't do that?? Of course she would
Completely disagree with Rich here, that was ABSOLUTELY who Shiv was. She couldn't stand to see a Roy that wasn't her sit atop the throne and while she ultimately loses and becomes a part of Tom's shadow, she will have forever taken that away from Ken and will always sit closer to the top than he will. Something that he was promised at 7 years old
Shiv would negociate what ?! She wanted to be CEO. So she's supposed to say Ken I'll vote for you if you make me CEO ? Make that make sense. Also she was publicly for Mattson so the board would not have backed her. It was Ken or Mattson. That's it. With Mattson her husband and father of her baby is CEO. Better for her.
Team Ken for life
Finale was terrible. They shat the bed in finale. Rich is 100% right
And she’s pregnant with the CEOs baby and Founders Grandchild … so when he/she grows up can be the next CEO
The writers make a good point in the after-show commentary. They say Shiv sabotages herself from sabotaging the deal she put together with Lucas.
Imagine thinking Shiv is a moral person who was acting out of anything other than jealousy. Even Roman was bitterly jealous as shown before the vote.
Shiv had no cards to play at the end, she wasn’t going to get the CEO position. It wasn’t about her morals, she had none. She couldn’t stand to see Kendall win and opted to blow it up. Plus this notion that Kendall was going to ruin the company is completely false. In fact, this season he more than displayed he was up to the task. Was he going to be the next Logan Roy? I’m not sure, but that might have not been a bad thing.
Alan Sepinwall is just constantly terrible at his job.
I'm all set for when Succession comes back as a mini series in 3-5 years time. I'll update this post every year as part of a countdown.
Shiv sucks.
Screw Shiv I was rooting for Kendall the whole way. What a snake she is
Guy explains things to Rich, Rich ignores and repeats what he just said. Lol
Overall, the show demonstrated the crucial differences in dynamics when you compare holding onto something you've created versus acquiring something you think you are entitled to. It's at the heart of Roman's observation that 'we're all bullshit,' in tandem with Logan's observation 'I love you all, but you're not serious people.' The Roy siblings were trying to leverage their family dysfunction against strangers with actual and real ambitions for the things Logan built, and their dysfunction and their lack of preparation for the actual dynamics of the battle resulted in mutual seppuku.
At the end of season 4 the Roy siblings all got what they wanted at the beginning of season 4. So did Tom, Greg, and Matsson.
Rich is incorrect.
– Shiv wanted the company sold in the first place
– Shiv despises her brothers, especially Kendall
– Shiv has beef with Matssen
The only thing that she kind of still wants (for now), is Tom.. kinda. The way to win that part of her life, was to vote against her brother(s), which is basically a vote for Tom.
BS. If Kendall is a terrible CEO, the board could always replace him. Especially with Shiv and Roman having board seats.
If that election litigation swings Jimenez's way, Tom is the face of ATN news that called it for Mencken. And open to lawsuits themselves. Tom could easily be fired