CSM have seen some crazy changes lately, including winning multiple major events. Join Quinton and Russell as they talk about all the new developments in CSM lists and rank every unit in the book!
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0:00 Sponsors
1:18 Intro
4:03 Chaos Bikers
5:50 Chaos Land Raider
7:10 Chaos Lord
8:36 Chaos Lord in Terminator Armor
10:03 Chaos Lord with Jump Pack
11:10 Cultists
12:50 Helbrute
15:38 Chaos Sorcerer
16:50 Chosen
24:58 Chaos Rhino
26:57 Cypher
28:54 Defiler
29:53 Dark Commune & Accursed Cultists
33:37 Chaos Sorcerer in Terminator Armor
34:24 Abaddon the Despoiler
37:03 Cultist Firebrand
39:05 Demon Prince
40:15 Demon Prince with Wings
41:06 Fabius Bile
45:20 Felgore Beastmen
45:42 Forgefiend
48:20 Havocs
49:25 Dark Apostle
50:19 Heldrake
52:01 Haarkan Worldclaimer
53:14 Legionaires
53:50 Lord Discordant
54:40 Lord of Skulls
57:38 Master of Executions
58:51 Maulerfiend
1:00:06 Octolith Crown
1:00:47 Noise Marines
1:01:26 Obliterators
1:02:37 Possessed
1:03:35 Chaos Predator Annihilator
1:04:19 Chaos Predator Destructor
1:04:36 Raptors
1:05:43 Chaos Spawn
1:06:45 Chaos Terminators
1:08:13 Traitor Enforcer
1:09:03 Vashtorr
1:09:34 Venomcrawler
1:10:30 Chaos Vindicator
1:11:58 Warp Talons
1:14:00 Warp Smith
1:14:16 Traitor Guardsmen
1:16:00 Lucius The Eternal
1:16:27 Huron Blackheart
1:16:50 Master of Possessions
1:20:19 Outro
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CSM wishlist:
– Let the MoP grant Possessed a +1 Strength Bonus, or even a +1 To Wound. There is so many S5 melee units in this list already, and these big, bulky models can easily be justified hitting a bit harder.
– Let Possessed get Dev Wounds when Charging instead of once per game.
– The regular Sorcerer should be a "luitenant" type option like the MeE, as there is no way he can fit even vaguely competitively otherwise.
– A bit cheaper Obliterators (even Liam thought so despite winning this weekend).
– D6+2, AP3 on Maulerfiend Fists/Defiler Claws.
– Cheaper Heldrake and Lord Discordant
– Cheaper Abaddon (or give him a bit of Feel No Pain so that he can actually lead from the front like the warrior king he is supposed to be)
– Some strat/detatchment rule adjustments to help make the detachments a bit more internally balanced. A few tweaks here and there could do a lot.
– Minor cost adjustments as mentioned otherweise.
Poor Abdomen. One of the only units to go down in toughness in 10th ed.
the main problem of the dark apostle is that he is 3 model and cant really fit in a rhino
0:00 Sponsors
1:18 Intro
4:03 Chaos Bikers
5:50 Chaos Land Raider
7:10 Chaos Lord
8:36 Chaos Lord in Terminator Armor
10:03 Chaos Lord with Jump Pack
11:10 Cultists
12:50 Helbrute
15:38 Chaos Sorcerer
16:50 Chosen
24:58 Chaos Rhino
26:57 Cypher
28:54 Defiler
29:53 Dark Commune & Accursed Cultists
33:37 Chaos Sorcerer in Terminator Armor
34:24 Abaddon the Despoiler
37:03 Cultist Firebrand
39:05 Demon Prince
40:15 Demon Prince with Wings
41:06 Fabius Bile
45:20 Felgore Beastmen
45:42 Forgefiend
48:20 Havocs
49:25 Dark Apostle
50:19 Heldrake
52:01 Haarkan Worldclaimer
53:14 Legionaires
53:50 Lord Discordant
54:40 Lord of Skulls
57:38 Master of Executions
58:51 Maulerfiend
1:00:06 Octolith Crown
1:00:47 Noise Marines
1:01:26 Obliterators
1:02:37 Possessed
1:03:35 Chaos Predator Annihilator
1:04:19 Chaos Predator Destructor
1:04:36 Raptors
1:05:43 Chaos Spawn
1:06:45 Chaos Terminators
1:08:13 Traitor Enforcer
1:09:03 Vashtorr
1:09:34 Venomcrawler
1:10:30 Chaos Vindicator
1:11:58 Warp Talons
1:14:00 Warp Smith
1:14:16 Traitor Guardsmen
1:16:00 Lucius The Eternal
1:16:27 Huron Blackheart
1:16:50 Master of Possessions
1:20:19 Outro
Chaos lord with jump pack sounds cute with 10 raptors taking 4 flamers in veterans of the long war. Free let the galaxy burn. Only use found- 24 flamer hits, maybe 4 wounds on the wrong target.
I had a Solitaire blitz and charge my Cypher but I rolled 6 6's on my saves and he lived with 1 wound. It ended up being the pivotal point in the game, as it was near the center where his Avatar of Khaine was, and Cypher living until my turn meant any defensive strats for the Avatar were too expensive.
Since they bring up the Master of Possession having 8” move and being attached to Chosen, which have a 6” move, can someone please explain how moving a unit with different movement values work?
As I understand the rules, when you move a unit you technically move each model individually. So the MoP would move it’s 8” but the rest of the Chosen would still only move 6”? Or do you take the highest value and apply it to the whole unit, so since the Chosen would get the MoP’s 8” move?
I'd disagree a little that Chosen don't hit that hard, especially if you use the right strategems and/or characters.
In my last game, I had a brick of Chosen one-shot a Brutalis Dread sitting on an objective by using Ruinous Raid, and that was before my character or the two Chosen armed with Power Fists even fought. -3 AP is no joke.
Welcome Russell! Thanks for the tier list boys.
I came to watch Russell
I wish Lucius could be thrown into a unit of Chosen. But it's also really funny overwatching with him and annihilating a squad of Warp Spiders or something.
so many needless changes to CSM datasheets.
Why can venom crawlers only level up in melee now ?
Why did they change possessed to only have dev wounds once per game?
Why did oblits basically get hit with 4 nertfs at once ?
Feelsbadman.
Can someone explain why they say the hellbrute needs vehicles in the list with it? Nothing in the rules says it only affects vehicles? Also what do they mean when they say Fabius bile can blank 2 attacks cuz of the surgeon? The surgeon’s ability is to blank 1 and Fabius just gives toughness to the unit and he himself comes back on a 2+
Good job War Master
Both Vindicators and Forgefiends suffer from the problem of economies of scale, where they’re casino guns when there’s one of them and then actually deadly when there’s two to three. I would definitely say the Vindicator is better than the Forgefiend in this regard, however I don’t get the enjoyment of murdering my own tank with the Vindicator, so it ends up balancing out.
Thanks Quinton and Russell
Pretty sure the helbrute only gives you sustained and lethals on sixes, and then gives you whatever your mark gives you on fives
Out of curiosity, is plunging fire even still a rule? I've reread the core rules but somehow didn't find it.
I love my ugly defiler!!!
I'd actually rank Noise Marines much higher and near Legionaires just for the fact they're actually a cheap shooting unit (and a mobile one at that) vs Legionaires being only good for melee. That they get Battleline with Lucius is a bonus.
Tbh csm is just too expensive as for now. Warp talons brick is 270 thats ridicoulus to the point that they need to kill unit of trash every turn but they cant bc game is too short.