Phisnom (AKA Phil Morg), the developer of the upcoming FNAF fan game FNAF Plus, has recently stated that he is no longer a fan of the Five Nights series following the release of Security Breach. This is a pretty interesting situation with multiple ways of looking at it so I wanted to discuss it.
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I personally agree with a lot of Phil's points.
Fnaf's story to me has become a tangled, near incomprehensible pile of poorly thought out story elements that aren't fun to piece together. I stopped trying to understand it when we started having to read entire books to know what's happening in the games. And that kind of flies in the face of what the series seems to present itself as now, which is a horror series for kids. It feels less like the eerie ghost story that intrigued me in middle school, and more like, as Phil said, a cartoon. And not even a particularly well made one.
While I don't feel as strongly against SB as Phil seems to, I agree that Fnaf sort of falls flat on both of the things that once made it so interesting. The story isn't fun to read, and it's not scary. I love Fnaf Plus and Squimpus' VHS series so much because they address these problems so well.
I feel like Phil speaks for every single one of us who isn’t a furry. I hope his game demolishes security breach, as his is the most anticipated of the fan games. Every time I see it Fnaf plus I remember the terror Fnaf 1 filled my young self with and long for that adrenaline rush again.
He was mad bcs the game was at Cyberpunk levels of broken with a lot of promises that never got archieved.
The developers wanted to do a lot, maybe too much, the managment didn't put a limit to what to do, and that's why the game ended like that and people got mad af.
I never really bought the game and just watched the Let’s Plays when it came out. So, as far as my opinion goes, I do like the aesthetic of the game. I get what Steel Wool was going for. It could’ve taken more advantage of the darker themes of FNAF, but the aesthetic choice was not a deal breaker. I can understand it has its problems, and I mean a LOT of problems, that would throw some people off. If anyone here hates this game, I can totally understand. I won’t go “oH, yOu’Re NoT a ReAl FaN bLa bLA”; I get it. People have their own tastes and expectations. And something you like disappoints you, you are free to criticize and express your thoughts. I do think Phisnom’s criticism is too harsh, but I understand where he’s coming from.
That said, I am looking forward to FNAF Plus. It gives that feel the VHS horror tapes, like how MemeBear, Squimpus, and Battington do it, and takes that horror aspect in FNAF and cranks it up to 100. I like that side of the fandom that utilize the darker themes of FNAF. I’m glad Phisnom is further motivated to make FNAF Plus the way he wants to make it and I’m looking forward to play it.
As for why I didn’t get SB and watched other YouTubers playing it is because I’m big on saving progress. The bugs were one thing; I think there are too many bugs than it should have, but the main issue is lack of checkpoints and auto saves, and mainly when you reach the end. I thought games like Dark Souls and Bloodborne punish you for not saving, but this game REALLY punishes you for not saving. It won’t even give you an auto save for beating the animatronics. I just do not like how, when you choose to stay, you cannot save at all your progress. You have to stay hours and hours on the game to find these secret endings and hidden lore stuff. You can’t even turn off the game. I’m glad I skipped out and just watched Let’s Plays because I would not want to continue playing afterwards. I wouldn’t.
I respect everyones opinion here and i hope steelwool would fix things soon. Scott era was great …
as somebody who had to leave the community myself, I totally agree with this whole video. the fnaf community stopped allowing freedom as far back as 2017 when FNaF6 released, so many character redesigns because of scott's inconsistent art style spun a dangerous web of hatred and separation. I cannot ever join back with the fanbase. but I will still play fnaf. when security breach gets fixed I will play it. when fnaf plus comes out imma play the hell out of it. as a game developer myself seeing communities like these just terrify me mine will become the same.
to my eventual fanbase. you who are impatient and threaten others for their opinions. you are not welcome in my community.
I really just want a FNAF Plus vibe of game. Security Breach was definitely not a good FNAF game. It doesn't matter what lore you put in there, people will always remember the game for being a weird free roam game that you can't even walk 4 feet without glitching, instead of the lore, which is pretty insane. This game isn't worth the 40 dollars at all. But it is worth something. So at the end of the day, I'll always appreciate Steel Wool's effort to make something we like, even though it didn't end well.
I honestly agree with everything he said. SB is and always will be like a fangame to me. A very kid friendly fangame, and I honestly dislike it just for that. Where's the horror? Like I'm asking Steel Wool right now, what happened? How can SB even be considered a horror game? It can't. It's just a very mediocre adventure/stealth game. I miss the way the game series used to be. Dark and unsettling. I've said it once and I'll say it again, no other title in the series can beat FNaF1's atmosphere. I'm begging Phil right now give us the FNaF we've been waiting for. The dark and unsettling one. Thank you.
I actually agree with Phismon, like, really. that game sucks and has nothing with fnaf. Wait, it's not just suck as a fnaf game, it sucks as any game.
The game is good, but as a fnaf game? fnaf is known for the scare factor so the dislike is perfectly fine. The worst fnaf game? Fair enough, worst game though? that's up to personal preference.
The game definitely felt to "Friendly" despite being a horror game. The animatronic designs feel like they're meant to be more marketable as children toys and merch and not totally scare them away.
I really enjoyed security breach, more then i thought i would, but couldnt agree more its not a scarey game. I miss the old horror and im so thrilled for fnaf plus
I may be the only one thinking about this but the dislike on the game seems like history is repeating itself. Scott had hate comments on his games which led to him making fnaf. I wonder if Steel Wool will recognize these comments about fnaf sb not being scary, make the game easier to run, make it scarier, and then release it to the public.
So people literally wanna see a dead child 🙃 guts spewing out of a robot or maybe the child has no head but a body 🤷♀️ maybe if people didn't bash Scott for what he did and he didn't decide to retire you lot would be fucking happy, wouldn't complain etc STEELWOOL ARE STILL NEW TO A GAME THIS BIG ffs 🙄 people need to grow up if people really hate SB that much they can leave the fandom there is way worse games out their and yet people chose to bash this one
Honestly this game could’ve been dark we could’ve seen vanny do what William did but no we barley even hear about that 🤦
The game could've been good it's a shame
there are 2 fnaf security breach players: "i liked the game but the bugs were annoying" and "hated it. wayyy too many bugs and performance issues , gameplay wasnt fun and i just don't think it's that scary"
This is gonna be me with pokemon if legends arceus ends up like security breach. Yes im a member of the pokemon fandom and a member of the fnaf fandom shut up.
all i want from fnaf is a classic point and click game styled like the first 3 games I don't want this giant over exaggerated pizzaplex with bright colors that make the game straight up not scary.
Its not his opinion that bothers me, i personally really like security breach even though the bugs do annoy me. The aesthetic is decent and kinda juxtapositional which is nice. But he didn't like it and thats fine.
For me my main issue is how self righteous he sounds about it. He seems to be kinda shitting on the series that is allowing him to have his spotlight. Its similar to if the guys who made halloween 2018 starting shitting on the original franchise because of the cult subplots in 5 and 6. Its just disrespectful and self-important.
The game wasn't that bad yes it was buggy but the game wasn't bad nor worse is it the worse fnaf game no is it perfect no but the game at lease it enjoyable and fun to play it but people have there opinions hate it love it it still a decent game
i feel the urge to get mad at his opinion for some reason but i really don't want to because i completely understand it
i think the internet has finally broken me
He is just unhappy? But it sounds like he is still gonna force himself to continue the game which might not even carry compassion
I enjoyed it for what it was, but I was hoping that under that cartoony façade, something really dark hid beneath, but that true darkness never came. Was it over all a fun game, yes, with a few annoyances but yes. Did it live up to potential, hell no. I really wish they went into those dark themes
The only thing scary in that game was The Map Bot and molten freedy and scraptrap looked scary and cool but they didn't give that much scary vibes and were prob to polish
when it comes to fnaf sb its kinda all over the place id not say its a bad game for a small company its just a mix of law and some things i can put together. i can understand some of the issues with the game but some things the guy said i can't understand, it might be his game but at the end of the day its scotts official game, it's fine if the guy hates sb that's fine but hate is a strong word. if anything it would of been better to dislike rather than hate. its scotts choice at the end of the day where his game goes if people don't like it then mm that's that
I disagree, I feel like 60% dislike it and 40% like it, the hatred vibes definitely strong,
I mean damn it’s very understandable but they a small team and security breach for many of the devs is the first game at all, and for the others it’s the first Fnaf, they don’t know the series like Scott does.
I personally wasn't outraged by Security Breach, but I respect Phil's opinion. Keep in mind I got scared and had nightmares when I was little (Around FNAF 1 & 2 era) and my parents banned me from it. They only allowed me to jump back in after fnaf 6.
I completely agree with Phisnom, or at least with what he said in his Twitter posts. I will admit that i have not watched his stream, because i do not enjoy watching someone be miserable and play something they hate. Still very much excited about FNaF Plus though, perhaps even moreso than before. I want to see his vision for what the franchise stands for.
Security Breach has not killed off my interest in the franchise like it did with him, but i am concerned about it. I sincerely hope Steel Wool and whoever Scott intends to entrust the franchise with take a long, good look at all the criticism directed at the game and take it to heart. Security Breach was by far the biggest disappointment of 2021 for me gaming-wise and i consider it the second worst game in the franchise. As a big fan of the franchise, who has been with the series since the very beginning, that deeply hurts to say.
The gameplay is a confusing mess and easily exploitable, the performance issues and launch state are completely unacceptable, the story is a massive waste of potential that flat-out stops partway through, is far too vague for its own good in a game this big and just leaves us with two villains that barely have any screentime and a protagonist we know nothing about, much less why he's there in the first place. The visuals are nice and the voice acting great, but that alone does not carry the experience. Quality over quantity should have been the priority here, especially since the team is so small.
For me, the only good things that have come out of Security Breach are the Daycare Attendant, who provided the only section in the game that i was scared by (and that didn't break too badly), and Glamrock Freddy, who is just such a wholesome fellow. I do not hate Steel Wool, i do not hate Scott, i am simply disappointed and hope for improvement in the future. And no, DLC is not a valid excuse or fix-all for the game's many problems.
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Security Breach feels rushed and doesn't have the horror vibe the previous games had but its still an okay game
The problem that this series has right now is it’s trying to aim towards the younger audience and I think it needs to aim at the older adult/mid/late teen audience because then the developers could bring out the darker more grim and brutal aspects of the lore and the games.
Honestly if Sony didn't use Security Breach as a money grabber and rush SteelWool to release it much sooner than they wanted, we would've had a much better game. Yeah the game was released horribly but now that Sony isn't breathing down SteelWool's neck, they'll be able to add and fix what they didn't get to before the forced release.
I don’t think I’ll buy the game mostly because of the optimization issues it seems to have. But I think if anything these opinions are probably going to cause people who don’t think got themselves to start blindly agreeing with them. I think that fnaf does need it evolve over time, but at the same time I do like what the previous games did over security breach. Maybe steel wool will see these criticisms and improve in the next entry.
This title is very misleading
In my personal opinion, SB is the first fnaf in awhile that I've really enjoyed. The map, character designs and overall presentation in my opinion is great and the hidden lore you can find is intriguing.
I understand people complaining that it isn't the horror they wanted. But then again fnaf has never really been all that dark, is always leaned into comedy atleast somewhat.
This is a different style of fnaf game that i honestly enjoy, plus anybody complaining this is all steel wools doing is wrong because Scott was working on sb aswell. Or atleast overseeing it until he publicly stepped back, so in a way this is the last fnaf game he's worked on.
I love it its not perfect but I think its a great Game
Ok absurd thought but what if this game is like FNAF's version of season 4 of infinity train placed between to dark stories like a mainly fun part with some dark moments
Oh thank the heavens above that Fnaf+ is still coming out that was the only fnaf project I was excited for
Five nights at Freddy's four is my favorite title in the series for it's realistic scary animatronic. I really wanted to see the series go a more darker horror tone as it was with the first and second title. The third title is lack luster but still acceptable. I have not played the other entries of the series yet as it lacks the fear / horror astrosphere. I am excited for five nights at Freddy's plus of it is going this grimmer darker tone 0/
I feel like Phil is right about the game being not scary. Yeah I kinda enjoied the game because there was so much to do but it still isn't it. I miss the feeling of horror while playing FNaF and I think that I speak for most of the fandom. I'm really excited to see FNaF Plus not only because of what Security Breach lacks but I wanna see how big of a game it will become because I know it will.
I can make a whole essay about what I don't like about new FNAF. But I agree with all of Phil's points. I am very excited for FNAF Plus which is a pleasant surprise.
i hope whatever steel wool puts out next, be it a new game or dlc for sb, it really fixes up all the problems sb has. we all hyped up sb to be this big finale of the franchise but in reality its just a new direction for it, the first of it's time. at least i hope sb isnt the last fnaf game. it really had a bunch of problems and it was steel wool's first project like this. sb has its problems, many, but i hope the upcoming additions to the franchise improve upon sb
Edit: Imagine a FNAF game styled like RE7, I'd love it, especially if it had really realistic graphics, could really help the series.
Five Nights at Freddy's is my most favorite horror franchise of all time. Ever since 2014 ive been watching Lets Plays of every single game, fan game, animations AND recent VHS tapes. Phil's opinion does not bother me one bit. I have my gripes with Security Breach, but it's very lean compared to what he said and I'm not going on a tangent in this comment section. However, I am still excited to see his twisted vision of the original game because hey, I love indie horror and FNAF, win win!
TBH if we were going to get a darker FNAF game, it would've had to have been in the early 2000's if a game like that were to come out today, on the Playstation no less, we'd probably see HUGE amounts of backlash from people on twitter who think they're "Fixing a problem".
I was really interested in FNAF Plus, I still am. But, I really do believe that Phil is being absolutely insanely immature about this. This is equal to child level immaturity. He's not a FNAF fan anymore because he didn't like SB? That's……interesting. He said a lot, but pretty much just said he didn't like it because it wasn't horror, and because it was different. You can have your opinions on why you don't like the story as much anymore, but not being a FNAF fan anymore because you didn't like This one? That's pretty stupid. "I'm a fan of horror, it's my genre of choice! Security Breach lacks or barely features any of these elements". Ok, you're free to dislike the lack of horror, but calling it a bad game BECAUSE there's no horror elements is again, very stupid. He basically goes on to state that he just adopted a whining and complaining personality in hopes that scott would see and be like "okay, I'll shit the franchise back to what YOU want!". Because that's basically what this is. It has little to do with the bugginess of the game, and more to do with the fact that he didn't like the lack of horror, he didn't like how different it was, he didn't like that it didn't fit HIS genre of choice, and therefore calling it objectively awful. But all of that could be overlooked. If you don't like the game, cool. Even if you downright hate the game, cool. But saying you're not a fan anymore because you didn't like it? That's absolutely idiotic. There's plenty of things that people love, that then spawn something that they don't really enjoy, but they don't just step away from being a fan now do they? Again, I'm still interested on FNAF Plus, but I REALLY do disagree with pretty much every single thing he said. I think it's even safe to say that he's objectively being immature about this.
Just gonna stop by and say that i feel more on the side with Phisnom, Security Breach probably has someone that extremely loves/likes it, why shouldn't there be one that has a strong opinion against it?
It's people like being so overly rude about other projects like this that really make me feel icky. Like SB isn't a perfect game, it's buggy and broken and has some plot holes and isn't anything like previous games, and I get that. We all knew it was different going in, but whatever. But people like The Walten Files creator Martin Walls being so rude and disrespectful about the game has completely turned me away from TWF, and Im not sure about Fnaf Plus either. Just because you don't like something, you shouldn't start a hate campaign over it
Thus guy has never played hello neighbor to consider this the worst game experience
Fnaf plus will be what we fnaf horror fans saw the og fnaf