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Goff went to Detroit and they were terrible. So you had the example and missed it.
Nothing but a bunch of what ifs
Zadarius Smith pancakes Brock Purdy early in the game. After that hit he was off most of the game. That is never considered on the grades. I'm sure it's hard to measure but hitting a quarterback hard can mess with his pocket awareness and his accuracy
pick a random future game and grade it on the air so we can understand the process
These guys don't have a clue.. Pff is full of shit.. The Browns defence balled out.. end off..
Guys. I think these two might be dumb. Why are we paying attention to these grades?
if a pass rusher is getting pressure on a rush and slips so the qb does not get sacked,you credit the rusher with a pressure but down the road if he slips on 10 percent of his pressures he will have less sacks than expected and will be downgraded for that …your system is geared to make offence look better than it is ….when mahomes "escapes" did he have a 5 yard check and he didnt take it and run around to find kelce (should be a downgrade)
Your explanation of “7” plays is the most idiotic piece of commentary I’ve ever heard. So you tell me if they played perfect this is what actually would have happened. Why don’t we do that with every team on every coverage and every play…..lol😂. It’s unreal. So if they actually play perfect these would have been the numbers. If the offense executes on every play they would score every play.
Your grading system is BS. Strangely then it's uncommon for NFL starting players to grade out as being actual starting caliber players. If your grading system made sense you wouldn't find yourself constantly having to explain it.
The problem with PFF is it’s truly impossible to tell how much Defensive performance affects Offensive execution.
Their basically saying that the poor offensive performance against the Browns was a coincidence and that is stupid. I’m a PFF defender but they’ve gotten lazy and biased. Purdy played bad bc he’s never seen Trent Williams get thrown on his ass in the 2nd drive of the game. He’s never seen a defense that sniffed out almost every play they ran.
The Browns defense forced poor execution.
you're full of sh…. no chubb, betonio, conklin, Watson, so tired of national media… cry me a river. 3rd best since 70… there are zero what ifs in football… I played…
also, you're grading scale doesn't take the human element into consideration. Maybe when Z hit Purdy in the face early, he started reconsidering some decisions. You two never played and hit in the face… That is the same as your can't do evaluations…
If you can't see Myles pressuring Purdy on that throw, you have no business analyzing the NFL. PFF has always had the problem that they don't know the playcall or how players are being coached to execute them but now they seem to be lost defending their made up grading system…down bad
You're eroding any credibility you may have had with these magic eightball possibilities. Admit they outperformed the grade and move on.
Clowns vs. Browns
There is no way you can watch the all 22 of Delpit or most of the Cleveland Defense and not say he had an incredible game. He is having a pro bowl year and played like it. This is not an explain the grade that works for me at all, I normally get it. This one is just like disaster recovery, it's so off from reality
Total bs on the prudy int. Garrett affected that throw
Here is what they are missing, I'd argue that the Browns Defense sped up the timing clock of Purdy with all the pressure early in the game, which caused the offense to not execute, aka threw off their timing. Cause & effect plain and simple.
So why kitties only had 1 catch for 1 yard break that down
The both of them are just there, dangling, hand on to a strand of Purdy nut hairs
Your grades are trash. Open your eyes
Interesting. In that this is the week I decided these idiots need to w stopped. One example – Tannehill has a grade over 70. Better than Russell Wilson.
Turnover worthy plays, that's a great stat. Their grades? Made up nonsense, eye of the beholder. That's the day we live in – quantify your completely biased BS and call it "analytics".
Dude is at least wrong on the post to Aiyuk. Purdy literally gets drilled on the play and is just chucking it up and you can see Aiyuk has to readjust the route to get the ball. Plus Ward literally affecting the catch by hitting him is by definition… AFFECTING THE PLAY. With the dropped dig to Aiyuk, the play is happening half a second faster than Aiyuk or Prudy usually execute it. Maybe you can't give out a particular grade to the the play itself, but obviously Purdy doesn't want to hold on any longer than he needs and Aiyuk isn't looking to get drilled by one of the safeties.
Again, with missing McCaffery. How could you possibly say that the Browns had no affect on the play?? Walker (the LB in coverage) forces an inside release on what was probably designed as a wheel route. You can see Purdy attempting to figure out the best spot to put the ball, but is rushed by, again, half a second as he releases the ball and gets leveled by Garrett. Purdy puts it too far outside, likely because the route was much further inside, due to the the LB's outside leverage, and the pressure by Garrett.
I don't even disagree with the theory that you likely have to be really lucky to have a consistently good defense. But a good defense forces these types of errors to occur more often because of previous plays. My main disagreement isn't even with the middling grading, its the justification of it. The Browns likely did have an affect on many of these plays he is saying they didn't.
Just says that the Browns got lucky with some of the breaks. Many times the 49ers execute these type of low percentage plays, and the Browns turned the 50-50 plays into 40-60. But to say the Browns had no affect on any of these is just straight up stupid and incoherent with the reality of the film.
You guys absolutely made no sense. Do not give up your day jobs.
The same way u searched for 7 plays where the 49ers offense didn’t execute and the browns benefited I’m sure u could find 7 plays where CLE defense didn’t execute and the 49ers benefited
The Browns had pressure on Purdy the entire game….which leads to bad throws.
It's weird it was San Fran's offense that led to a horrible game….yet the previous 5 defenses, they were unstoppable.
Definitely don't send this clip in for the award…especially if the people giving out the award know anything about football:) Poor take on the Browns game. The only problem with PFF, is it doesn't take in account the flow of the game or what's happened prior to the current play.
You know they are reaching when they say “What if we just flip 7 plays.” Lazy lazy lazy analysis.
McCaffrey only scored on the shovel pass TD because Trent Williams got away with a clear as day hold on JOK and took him out of the play opening up a hole for McCaffrey. Do you guys take that into account or just pretend it didn't happen? I'd also like to hear your explanation on Amari Cooper's poor grade because that one makes 0 sense to anyone who watched the game.
PFF keeps proving themselves to be clowns. Claim to be all about context, but literally never take things into context all the time on purpose and ignore it.
"If you ignore the plays when the 49ers were bad, the 49ers were great"
Cleveland doesn't want your nuisanced take, nerds! Cleveland demands glory! Cleveland wants their flowers.
This proves that PFF doesn't understand any of the psychological elements of football, doesn't understand cumulative pressure, and doesn't have the first clue regarding good team play. It will constantly disregard a myriad of factors that you can't statistically measure, making any PFF grade, good or bad, pretty much useless. Intangibles are not ignorables.
Man, I wonder why the Niners had such a hard time moving the ball. Couldn't have had anything to do with the Browns D. Classic case of someone trying way too hard to find hidden meaning when Occam's Razor was all he needed.
Horrible horrible takes, typical pff homers having no clue how football works
This was embarrassing lol
An hour of making excuses for the 49ers.
PFF just wanting to flush its credibility down the drain this year. Your Browns defensive grades are incorrect. It’s that easy to figure out.
This looks like an attempt to explain why 49ers failed to succeed but i think they dont take into account how the defensive plays affected the qbs rhythm vs normal.
Keon Coleman is WR1. Wilson their other WR will move up too. 6-7ish 4.4. Coleman is a spitting image 🏈 wise to Odell Beckham Jr when he was Elite.
If the idea is that perfect execution beats perfect execution by the defense, then why in the world wouldn't that be a trackable stat?? That seems like it is a flaw within your "advanced grading" that it isn't able to grade the performance of a defensive play, relative to the offensive execution. The same way that a drop or missed throw does not result in a higher grade for any defending player. The point being, if the grade is solely predicated on the result of the play, then poor offensive execution should be credited to the defense same as a perfectly executed defense is marked poorly for perfect offensive execution.
Even the idea that if you took an NFL receiver and QB out in a field and had them run posts or go routes and the QB would magically start air-mailing throws at some non-negligible rate is hilarious. When a receiver "beats" a CB, it takes time, it takes a move, and that move, depending on the work or leverage by the CB AFFECTS where the ball needs to be thrown and at what time. So the fact that a WR can "beat" a CB at some point in a route, doesn't mean that the CB or pressure hasn't affected the play regardless of whether the ball is completed or not.
This case in point on the missed post. The route wasn't clean at all. He had to make a late adjustment and he was being hit while in the act of catching the ball. Plus the pressure put on Purdy forced him to just pick a spot. Now could have the played been completed, sure. But what you can't say is that the Browns had no affect on the play!
Every play's success rate is 100% against air (no defense). The moment a defender is put in front of an offense player, that rate goes down. Now you could say that the defender had near zero impact, but I'd wager that this is almost never the case. So the reality is the defense has some affect on every play. The problem is you guys saying the defense has no affect on a play when we can all turn on the All-22 and see in almost all of these examples the degree of difficulty for offensive execution is very high due to the defense execution.
Just nut up and say the system could do a better job accounting for cumulative impact to offensive execution or grading plays on a performance scale rather than good or bad. A real research team looks for these kinds of flaws and mismatches in data and results and corrects for them. They don't just double down like they are here.
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