MEGADETH is WRONG! I have a problem with Kiko Loureiro’s video on whether or not Dave Mustaine knows music theory. According to Kiko, Dave uses absolutely NO THEORY whatsoever when writing music. Is that REALLY TRUE tho? You’d think someone who’s written as many hit songs as Dave Mustaine would have some degree of musical education right?
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Music theory specifically came after the practice of music itself. So yes, theory can explain anything because it comes after the fact. But because theory can explain anything that you do, it doesn't mean everyone applies theory to compose. If you use your ear and years of experience doing music, you may still not be using music theory. It doesn't mean you don't know music, it means you're just going by what you feel sounds good. We can play any number of random notes and we will be able to explain them using theory.
Not using doesn't mean Dave doesn't know theory. Kiko is saying that Megadeth's compositions don't use practical or written theory. Of course Dave knows the theory.
One can be a world class player and know what bits work with each other and which don't and still not understand why.
Theory knowledge isn't a pre-requisite for writing highly complex music. Take Mustaine's predilection for using chromaticism in his riffs and examine how closely they are structured.
Plus, with the virtuosos he hires why should he have to know much theory?
I get what Kiko's saying, your music can be dissected using theory, but maybe Dave's ear is just that good. Dave is an accidental professor of music theory muahahahaha
Whatever he knows, I hope he keeps it up, because he makes music I like.
“Jimi only played by ear and didn’t know any theory”. BS. He was a sideman for many years for many touring acts. They just let him come out and do his thing. Right
I think you didn't understand what kiko meant…
Kiko didn't say that Dave doesn't know music theory. He just said that Dave doesn't create a song through theory, but by feeling. Which doesn't mean that Dave doesn't know what he is doing.
Of course Dave knows music theory (subconsciously), but that's not what Kiko meant. What he meant, I think, is that some people base their composition directly around the idea of music theory, while some others just write what they like, what they have in their mind at the moment, without necessarily recurring to music theory. It's still there, of course, but it wasn't a conscious element.
And honestly, that's how I do it too. Music theory can be useful, but I just prefer writing whatever's in my mind and then refine it.
He never said Dave was dumb, he answered the question straight: No, Dave does not use theory to create music! Mothing wrong with that!
No one ever uses theory, it doesn't exist
You do things but you don't know the names of the things you do . I play with someone who is schooled and when I do things he explains to me what that's called and when he does stuff I immediately know those patterns or the blending of patterns or scales. So it is pretty cool to have someone explain what your doing in their terms instead of the ones I've made up in my head (lol). Schooled or not, I believe the most important thing is you keep.challenging yourself with different styles and thought processes so your always going to progress. I guess the best thing for me in dipping into the verbal side is easier communication with others who I've not played with before , so it's helpful . It doesn't hurt, it can only make you better, but I still believe starting young and ear training are the two main factors in being a proficient musician with the books coming in just behind. That's just me. Buy it certainly would be the way to go that once you found that you truly love playing you should Start in on the reading side then you will be unstoppable
I came for the 420 references, then I came
Dave just knows what he likes just like 99.9% of other guitarists.
If he knows what key he’s in, or what scale shape to use, he is using “theory.”
I’d love to see shred teach some bass.
'Scales are for fish'
D.Mustaine 1990s
Nice you're the man bought the package for your 60 minute video I support you brother
Music theory is for people who especially need mental and visual aids to decipher music or to just have a roadmap for the music. They like to have a vocabulary that is readily communicable to like-minded individuals. Theory-oriented individuals will likely always have a job or career in music.
Self-taught musicians are more instinctual and sensory-oriented. They use their ears and eyes to put the music together which can make them seem incredibly visionary or attain iconic status among musicians and non-musicians alike. They understand that music is way more than names and numbers.
My "theory" is what i listen to, my muse. The rest is like a jigsaw just putting all together the right pieces. It's not brain surgery, and as a self taught player with 0 lessons 0 theory i get on pretty well even if i do say so myself. Lesson 1. Learn the main chords. Lesson 2, jam with people Lesson 3, just have fun.
I don’t think Kiko is saying it the way you’re taking it. Yeah, see he’s saying Mustaine isn’t using the “math” of music theory as one would do when composing a classical piece & writing out parts for different instruments etc. but the way Kiko is talking about is actually 100% correct if you think about it from that perspective. But, yes I totally get what you’re saying & yes everyone uses the rules or it would just be garbage.
Theory is so overrated. Lol.
Who cares if he uses theory or not. He is making awesome, amazing, f*cking metal, and thats all it matters.
Yeah he meant in a way being in key and shit I guess. It’s one thing going for feel and how it sounds and make it sound good. But Dave literally would know every note and basic keys
Kiko can play almost anything but he doesn't. He is the most boring famous guitarist i know.
Kind of a clickbait title, I HATE when media distort words to make news at the cost of one person. I thought Shred wouldn't do something like this.
Kiko clearly says "Dave don't use theory", he never said Dave doesn't know theory.
What Kiko said is that Dave does not need to "think" in music theory to write a song because the it's natural to Dave doing that… Musicians with years of experience like Kiko and Dave doesn't need to "sit and write" a song because the music simply "happens" with the creativity process, it's something natural to them… But this comes only after STUDYING a lot… I think that's what kiko was trying to explain.
even some of the most progressive metal bands doesn't have guitarists who have studied music theory
"I don't use music theory! I just use stylings and techniques that sound good that I picked up from all kinds of other composers…that…used…theory…"
I think Dave Mustaine got lucky with every single song he wrote. I write in a similar way, in that I know ZERO theory and I've gotten lucky and have about 5 songs I'm proud of. I'm the only one though who thinks so. Dave, however….
Dave is Dave Theory and that’s all that matters.
Dave is a music genius!!! You don’t need to be a master at theory to be a musical genius!!!
Thanks, now that my mind is blown…
It's not necessary to have theory to compose a songs.When the ideas are good it's good.That's it.
fucking perfect! rs
Every musician uses music theory to some degree. What people usually mean by "music theory" is essentially using and/or writing sheet music, which is an incredibly narrow definition of the term. Not using sheet music means you're just not educated in music theory, but not that you don't use it.
Even in the most extreme examples, like Jimi Hendix and Devin Townsend, for example, where you write music through synesthesia and name chords things like "yellow", "blue", "bird", "eleven" or some other random thing and don't know what any of the notes on a fret board or piano roll are, you're still using music theory because you associate notes and chords with colors and shapes instead of letters, and you know which colors and shapes you want to use and string together when writing music.
You are wrong dude. Music theory is crap anyway. If it were a guideline, there would be one song and only one song in the world. You are wrong and so is music theory. It's crap.
Just knowing what notes go together you have a basic knowledge of theory
Imagine someone who knows how to speak by listening to people but never went to school and learn how to write.
Then someone ask:
Does that person uses letters and punctuation signs when telling a joke?
Well, of course he doesn't, he just tells the joke not thinking about how it is written. But at the same time, he does because he is spelling the same thing you would have written with letters and punctuation signs.
Do you need to know how to write to tell a joke? No.
Would it help to know how to write to tell jokes? Yes. You could be more articulated, learn new ones by reading…they probably won't be so organic nor funny but the more you know how to write the more perspective you will have on what makes a joke funny and how to tell it to others.
I really don’t want to bring up the Megadeth vs Metallica thing again but I believe it is clear that Dave Mustaine, along the way, incorporated a different layer of fascination for the listener. Through his thrash blending chord and lead mastery and creativity, he says to the listener, I know you heard this once, but please, come back again and listen one more time. listen closer and don’t miss anything because here’s what I want you to experience. Too many times I find myself rediscovering and appreciating Megadeth on a different level because the music progression literally forces you to pay attention over and over.. it comes out as Dave’s signature style which becomes quite recognizable and keeps you hooked to see what’s coming next.
Kiko does not say Mustaine "doesn't understand theory" but that he don't use it to compose… nothing more than this!
ffs sake bro, kiko is saying that mustaine isnt sitting down and composing songs that are planned around a theoretical approach. like, arranging chord progs, melodies, etc away from the guitar.
he is acknowledging the idea that music can be written with a subconscious grasp of theory. but not an explicit application thereof.
it fucking weird that you dont get that lmao